Vulgar History - International, part 31： Lola Montez and the Gold Rush (part 2⧸2)

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00:00:30.000 hello and welcome to vulgar history of feminist women's history comedy podcast my name is ann

00:00:47.780 foster my cat hepburn is like very much right here next to me you might hear her purring i don't know

00:00:52.940 but she's as excited as we all are to get to part two of lola montez so last week we talked about

00:00:58.940 the origin story of Lola. Her mother, she was born in Ireland. Her mother was Irish. Her father was,

00:01:05.020 I think, English. Then they went and then she grew up kind of free range in India. Then they

00:01:11.720 decided she should learn manners. So they sent her to Scotland and then to England. And then she went

00:01:17.960 to Spain, came back, rebranded herself. Now she's Lola Montes, fake Spanish dancer. And in this part 0.97

00:01:25.140 two of her story we just kind of see what happens next and i can't i don't want to spoil or ruin

00:01:28.980 anything so i'm just gonna just leave it there so like take it away me and allison oh yeah the

00:01:35.040 guest is allison apstein so that's who the other voice is here and she's just running around

00:01:40.700 i from spain but i don't know horse whipping people whatever she also had this thought so

00:01:50.400 the jesuits who are also like a weird recurring cameo in this season she felt like the jesuits

00:01:55.880 were conspiring against her they probably were probably were because she's not catholic and

00:01:59.640 they probably didn't love it yeah so the whole country from the jesuits to the university students

00:02:04.900 united against her oh she also so there's sort of like a fraternity at the university and she

00:02:09.440 hired them to be her personal bodyguard yes and there's like one incident where they were like

00:02:15.160 carrying her around on their shoulders and they were all wearing no pants and she hit her head

00:02:20.100 on a chandelier and got a concussion i know you're not talking about like frat boys from 2022 but

00:02:27.020 i'm picturing 14 times carrying her and yeah this is the this is the love of detail i'm just like i

00:02:34.260 can't there's too many details like this like i need to keep this to a tight three hour conversation

00:02:40.060 anyway ludwig's sister the dowager empress caroline augusta offered her 2000 florins i think

00:02:48.480 is the currency if she would leave Bavaria.

00:02:51.180 Of course, she didn't take it.

00:02:52.240 This, who, I don't know what this,

00:02:54.500 I quote, I'm quoting from somebody.

00:02:56.380 Maybe from, oh, from the Lolo biography,

00:02:59.200 Bruce Seymour.

00:03:00.140 This merely provided the dancer

00:03:01.480 with a kind of dramatic scene

00:03:02.620 in which she reveled,

00:03:03.740 throwing the letter into the fire

00:03:05.340 she declared she had been insulted 0.66

00:03:06.580 by the Empress.

00:03:08.100 I'm sure she stamped around a bit too.

00:03:09.880 I'm sure she stamped on the burning embers.

00:03:12.640 And he did in fact make her a countess

00:03:14.780 and also the canoness

00:03:16.660 of the Order of St. Teresa.

00:03:18.480 i love when people like this get religious titles it's like my very favorite thing in history they're

00:03:24.760 just like yeah you're basically a nun now it's fine yeah yeah you can be the candace of this

00:03:28.300 nunnery like um so the nuns are like oh please god no literally god please please yeah so she 1.00

00:03:37.000 her time it was 18 months total during this time she um exercised great political power but it

00:03:44.520 wasn't like she was working on behalf of someone else for like their things it's just kind of like

00:03:48.500 what she happened to feel like supporting i think there's something where she supported

00:03:51.800 someone went to her to be like i forget someone was on strike the teachers or something like that

00:03:57.040 and they're like can you support the teacher's strike and she's like sure and then she did and

00:04:00.780 then it resolved and then but that was bad because that showed she actually had influence

00:04:03.980 then people hated her even more so the things that she liked to encourage him were um she was

00:04:10.100 in favor of liberalism she was anti-catholic although she was catholic she encouraged him

00:04:16.660 in attacks against the jesuits her ability to manipulate the king was so great that the minister

00:04:21.600 of state was dismissed because he and his entire cabinet had objected to her being granted the

00:04:26.740 nationality and the title of countess so it's like it's like when boris johnson and everybody quit

00:04:32.880 and then he had to quit sort of vibes like everyone just started quitting working for the king

00:04:39.140 oh and this is where we get wait wait the bavarian beer riots yes um you did send me a picture of

00:04:48.400 that wikipedia page without any context so i need to know what they're doing here okay so ludwig

00:04:53.860 decreed attacks on beer and it's a dumb thing to do in bavaria i'm gonna get in bavaria of all

00:05:00.280 places during and this is 1844 this is more like lana would johnson would know but there's like a

00:05:05.140 lot of rebellions happening anti-monarchy kind of everywhere so you really don't want to like burn

00:05:10.520 those bridges yeah so crowds of urban workers beat up police well the Bavarian army showed

00:05:16.960 reluctance to get involved civil order was restored only after the king decreed a 10% reduction in the

00:05:22.440 price of beer there you go so this is 18 yeah so this is this is this is the vibe that's going on

00:05:29.740 So like, it's a real Les Mis student revolution vibe

00:05:33.660 of just like the university students

00:05:35.200 are really leading a lot of this stuff.

00:05:37.240 So there's something happening

00:05:38.400 where the university students were rebelling

00:05:40.360 and Lola was like, 0.99

00:05:41.280 well, you should just close the university.

00:05:42.680 And so then he did.

00:05:44.220 And that made the university students rebel even more.

00:05:47.480 Yeah, it's not gonna help.

00:05:48.920 Yeah, so under pressure from the revolutionary movement,

00:05:52.440 the university was reopened.

00:05:53.760 Lola was literally run out of town.

00:05:56.300 So she had been living in a mansion

00:05:58.720 which was like

00:06:00.260 invaded in a big

00:06:01.040 sort of like

00:06:01.380 storming of the

00:06:01.920 Bastille energy

00:06:02.740 so a rioting 1.00

00:06:04.300 crowd of Bavarians

00:06:05.320 were just like

00:06:06.200 leave 1.00

00:06:06.740 and she did 0.99

00:06:13.460 I hate you so much 0.98

00:06:15.360 please leave my town 1.00

00:06:16.560 like she's not 0.95

00:06:17.340 ever good at

00:06:18.260 knowing when to

00:06:19.280 leave but

00:06:20.160 I feel like they

00:06:20.920 made it pretty clear

00:06:21.920 that now was the

00:06:22.600 time

00:06:22.900 yeah Ludwig

00:06:24.080 could not forgive 1.00

00:06:24.800 his people for

00:06:25.560 turning against her

00:06:26.480 but they basically

00:06:28.320 forced

00:06:28.720 him into abdicating he was succeeded by his son maximilian who was the father of ludwig ii who

00:06:35.360 built the castles ludwig himself um traveled to italy to cure his broken heart which took a couple

00:06:41.880 months and he came back with a renewed zest for life he probably felt he was like 43 at that point

00:06:47.380 yeah yeah like a young man of 47 um and he lived to old age just kind of partying for the next two

00:06:53.380 decades and he did um continue supporting lola so like he gave her uh an income as long as she

00:07:01.140 never remarried asterix so but lola every time i come to a thing where it's like and her age was

00:07:07.640 this i'm just like what i feel she's like 24 or something by now he's very efficient in her

00:07:13.360 scandals there's a lot that has happened to her anyway so she went to switzerland hoping that

00:07:18.660 maybe ludwig would join her he did not and then she went to london where i don't know if she met

00:07:26.080 him on the ship but like she i think she did actually um she met and quickly married a man

00:07:31.380 called george trafford healed so oh no no she's 27 at this point because he's 20 and that was

00:07:39.080 like scandalous the age difference which i feel like this is one of the least scandalous age

00:07:43.660 differences in her they're both full adults this time so the thing with george trafford healed 20

00:07:49.880 years old he had a large inheritance from his wealthy family and i think by marrying him she

00:07:57.180 got english citizenship was also part of her scheme here which she already had but just under

00:08:04.080 the wrong name yes but again she's like very it's not just like she's very like distinctive looking

00:08:11.040 but she keeps doing things keep reminding people about who she is yeah so she was in fact arrested

00:08:16.360 on a charge of bigamy because the terms of her divorce were that she wasn't allowed to marry

00:08:21.240 while he was still living but then she was released on bail so she and her new husband

00:08:25.920 george fled to france then to spain i guess she's like i'll show you my motherland um and then so

00:08:33.780 remember she married him he had this inheritance um she got citizenship from him and then he

00:08:38.220 died mysteriously

00:08:39.980 and his body was never found.

00:08:42.900 So

00:08:43.000 he may have been

00:08:45.860 murdered by her.

00:08:48.220 He may have died by suicide.

00:08:51.020 Unclear, but she's just 0.52

00:08:52.160 like, she gets, she's the widow, so she

00:08:54.120 gets the inheritance and here we go. 0.90

00:08:56.540 This is giving like

00:08:57.700 really strong vibes of someone coming out of

00:09:00.080 the bedroom in a fur coat and being like, oh,

00:09:01.940 officer, I have no idea.

00:09:03.980 Like, it's, you know. Very much so.

00:09:06.080 So she returned 0.99

00:09:08.080 to the stage let me see so this is she got a manager who like arranged she needed money so

00:09:17.220 she just got a manager who sort of arranged a tour so she toured europe and america this

00:09:22.400 summary says becoming involved in innumerable assaults scandals and legal actions

00:09:28.580 so because her performances to this date were just kind of like doing her dance in the

00:09:35.000 intermission of plays with castanets it's like well you need a longer show you need an hour

00:09:38.960 so she commissioned a play called lola montez in bavaria in which she starred as herself

00:09:47.520 i'm sure the opening number was her swooping in like a raven in her black shawl oh i wish

00:09:53.700 like like on some sort of like rig so the play scripts of it do not exist anymore but from what

00:10:00.020 people wrote about it it sounds like she really cast herself as like defending the common man

00:10:04.280 an inspiring revolution because of her ideals of liberalism which is not quite what what happened

00:10:12.080 that's how she recast her time in bavaria so her last performance of the u.s tour and this is where

00:10:18.480 i'm excited she's in the u.s the country where you live yes and where a lot of the listeners live so

00:10:24.180 there's some this is again where i'm like this is good like we're getting into the u.s so her final

00:10:28.660 performance of this show was in new orleans where at around which time her lady's maid had tried to

00:10:35.300 quit but lola wouldn't let her quit and then she oh that poor lady yeah um lola struck her i think 0.99

00:10:42.260 with the whip um the police came to arrest her um and she pulled out a dagger as well as a small 1.00

00:10:49.820 vial marked poison and she said and so she's love it so she's yeah exactly so she um she was just

00:11:01.620 like you'll never take me alive um she drank the poison did not die of the poison but i think she

00:11:12.080 was also like you can't arrest me that's not my real name she's the worst secret identity

00:11:19.580 person i've ever heard of yeah so i i don't think she was actually arrested for this for 0.98

00:11:25.740 whipping her lady's maid so then she headed to imagining all of the police looking at her

00:11:30.440 dramatically drinking poison like in the middle of the street and being like we're just gonna walk

00:11:34.600 away um so then she headed to san francisco where on the boat on route she met newspaper publisher

00:11:46.320 patrick purdy hall who she married upon landing in san francisco love was this fourth boat husband

00:11:53.520 yeah yeah like it's just like go on a boat meet a husband that's what's happening he's also a

00:11:59.220 newspaper publisher as well so does he run the art section probably presumably i don't know if

00:12:05.660 there is an art section in the newspaper because this is like we're in the gold rush

00:12:10.560 old-timey prospectors era or it's a snake in my boot times yeah yeah so she's in california

00:12:19.960 during the gold rush and this is where she i don't know if people getting tired of her performance

00:12:25.860 of lola montez in bavaria but this is where she debuts the spider dance which i think i've also

00:12:31.800 sent i know i've sent you a picture of her performing you have that one will also be on

00:12:37.340 the instagram i assume because it's one of my favorite historical drawings of all time can you

00:12:42.220 describe it i don't know if you have it in front of you or if you could bring it up and describe

00:12:45.420 this i will bring it up because i do have it because you sent it to me twice to make sure

00:12:50.320 that i still had it um it is i believe lola montez doing a sort of ballerina leg up elevated dance

00:12:59.040 looking very pleased with herself and below the stage on the stage and in the box nearby there

00:13:05.980 are three men staring at her like they've never seen anything so awful in their entire lives my

00:13:13.220 favorite one is the old gentleman in the wig hiding behind the newspaper staring at her with

00:13:17.620 just like i've seen the devil eyes it's incredible it's quite an image oh and that just reminded me

00:13:25.400 i forgot to tell you the other foot thing so when she was with ludwig he loved her so much he

00:13:31.000 shouted her the gifts and one of them was an alabaster mold of her foot oh no wait no she

00:13:36.420 gave him that that's so much worse yeah to put in his gallery of beauties and then he gave her

00:13:46.600 a gift that was an alabaster mold of his hand writing a poem to her these two honestly age 0.99

00:13:54.200 difference aside they're perfect for each other they kind of were yeah too bad bavaria ran her

00:14:00.060 out of town i know okay so this is the spider dance so this is where so her dance she had been

00:14:06.160 doing earlier it was maybe inspired by the tarantella which is an italian dance done in

00:14:11.760 partners like two dancers so that's not what she's doing but the tarantella i think is a dance where

00:14:17.980 it's like it's as though you have been bitten by a poisonous spider and you're like doing erratic

00:14:23.540 crazy things is what the tarantella looks like it's because it's just a fast dance without

00:14:27.220 of stomping she expanded that at this point into her spider dance in which her dance was like oh 0.98

00:14:33.160 no there's a spider in my skirt where's this spider like is it in my skirt let me just flip 1.00

00:14:38.160 up my skirt oh no spider um so it's just a very erotic dance about her trying to find where the

00:14:44.360 spider is on her clothes which she flaps around to expose various parts of her body her beautiful 0.80

00:14:49.960 feet etc some people said that she wore no undergarments which would be in line with 0.87

00:14:55.820 the can can at the Moulin Rouge

00:14:58.160 which is like the whole thing like why they would

00:15:00.200 kick their legs up high is to show like that they didn't

00:15:02.480 that they were exposing their full

00:15:03.920 undercarriage

00:15:05.740 anyway

00:15:08.160 so the notorious spider dance is 0.63

00:15:10.000 she deployed here now some writers

00:15:12.200 have said

00:15:14.000 that she was doing the spider dance earlier but I do

00:15:16.100 think she debuted the spider dance in the

00:15:18.160 oldie times gold rush

00:15:19.920 to an audience of Yosemite

00:15:22.180 Sam type people

00:15:23.040 they weren't ready

00:15:25.820 um yeah so she married patrick pretty hall they soon divorced it said she tossed him down a flight

00:15:33.200 of stairs and threw his clothes out the window i can picture that so clearly and then this part

00:15:40.200 is confusing so i don't like no paperwork ever happened for them to actually be divorced but

00:15:45.060 they certainly separated and she couldn't legally marry anyway so he named patrick named a german

00:15:50.700 doctor as a co-respondent so if it was like i think she was sleeping with him i'm not sure a

00:15:55.360 few days later that doctor was found shot dead in them hills because it's wild westy gold rush

00:16:03.780 times yeah you know anything goes during this era so she always had a dog with her in various

00:16:09.240 places but at this point she was given a gift by i think one of the old-timey prospectors of a bear

00:16:13.760 cub oh you know i'm here for a pet bear it's one of my favorite historical motifs yeah who is it

00:16:21.300 it was percy no who is it byron and then madame de montespan had one too and i love them both

00:16:27.620 so delighted to have a third pet bear person yeah so she had a pet bear but eventually the bear

00:16:34.100 mauled her and then she gave it away

00:16:36.440 and i forget what i expect to happen in those stories one way well i think maybe if you're like

00:16:43.660 lord byron maybe i think the bear was trained or something they just gave her a wild california

00:16:49.980 grizzly yeah here you go and she's like oh it's cute ah oh no it's also a bear yeah and i think

00:16:57.740 i didn't write down but the bear cub did not have a like racist name i think the bear was called

00:17:02.460 like independence or something like that which is the most yosemite sam thing to name

00:17:06.960 so during all this like she was a tabloid sensation in america uh one of the most popular 0.93

00:17:14.960 stories about her being that she used the horse whip she carried on stage to beat men who had 0.97

00:17:18.760 offended her so i do think another picture i sent you was a drawing of her wielding a whip at men

00:17:24.140 who are cowering so she denied the rumors that she beat men with a horse whip um although she did say

00:17:30.720 there was one comfort in all these falsehoods which is that these men very likely would have

00:17:34.880 deserved horse whipping i mean is she wrong she's not wrong no so she settled in a place called

00:17:42.020 grass valley which is still there her house like the house of lola montez is a california historical

00:17:50.540 landmark so if anyone listening to this lives near grass valley which truly sounds like a fake name

00:17:58.140 and like lego set or something you know you could go visit lola's house there and then anyway she's

00:18:05.020 like okay i'm done being here with the oh i didn't say this but the um later anyway when she performed

00:18:11.340 for the gold prospectors apparently they threw gold nuggets at her feet which is their version

00:18:17.280 of like dollar bills yeah amazing also dangerous i just love that her involvement in like the gold

00:18:26.800 rush old-timey prospector era like she's truly international traveling the 19th century yes

00:18:34.300 i did not expect us to come to prospectors but i'm very glad they did yeah oh wait hang on there's

00:18:41.080 a podcast that i was listening to to get more oh yeah she bought a mine during that era as well

00:18:46.080 yes there's a podcast called wait i saved it because it's a podcast about women of old-timey

00:18:55.400 prospector times it's called i hope that's what it's called it's called queens of the mines

00:19:00.180 anyway that was that was one of my references for this because she really she talks about

00:19:05.520 lola's time her her old-timey prospector era

00:19:11.080 So then she's like, I need some more money.

00:19:12.740 Time to go on tour again with Lola Montez in Bavaria.

00:19:16.420 Her play starring herself as herself.

00:19:19.760 There's probably three people in the West who haven't seen it yet.

00:19:22.180 There's other actors in it too.

00:19:23.580 It's not a one woman show. 1.00

00:19:24.580 Just no. 1.00

00:19:25.060 So she hires other actors to be in it with her.

00:19:27.560 So she hired a young actor named Noel Fullan as her manager.

00:19:32.000 And they sailed to Sydney, Australia.

00:19:34.820 Where she married him on the boat.

00:19:37.440 You would think.

00:19:38.560 But in this instance, no.

00:19:39.840 i mean this is the first time she took a boat trip and didn't emerge with a husband

00:19:43.740 uh let's see so they went to sydney with their their acting company they performed lola montez

00:19:50.540 in bavaria at the royal victoria theater inexplicably this detail is here so her

00:19:57.480 manager is the actor noel fullan f-o-l-l-i-n but then he changed his name to full land f-o-l-l-a-n-d

00:20:04.920 okay what are you doing no i don't know anyway so they went to

00:20:11.300 okay um so this is her australia era so there's also like she's from she was born in ireland so

00:20:20.060 the irish claim her she had this time in um bavaria so it's like she's like german history

00:20:26.300 talks about her then she was like the wild west like oldie time prospector era so there's like

00:20:31.060 an american thing and this is like australia also like i was watching a youtube video of like

00:20:35.360 there's people from an australian museum talking about her because she had she went to australia

00:20:39.500 this is the first time we're talking about australia i think on this podcast which also

00:20:42.920 i'm excited about i know there's listeners there let's see so a sheriff's officer followed them

00:20:47.660 on board with a warrant of arrest for her debts a debtor's warrant of arrest lola undressed so

00:20:55.100 sorry he went on sorry they went on the ship to arrest her for being a debtor okay undressed in

00:21:01.800 her cabin and dared the officer to seize her nude but but he was like ah and left and did not arrest

00:21:09.920 her so there's a strategy for us all i'm not sure that's gonna work anymore for everybody but

00:21:16.040 work for her i think it would just be that thing of like you know if you're being attacked it's

00:21:20.980 like just act like you are out of your mind and maybe the person will back up because you're so

00:21:25.480 unpredictable something wrong with this lady this is just this is just too weird for me this is very

00:21:30.420 standing with a vial of poison in the middle of new orleans way to get out of a crime it's like

00:21:35.540 yeah i'll drink this poison let's do it i'll get naked you'll see it says poison on it so you know

00:21:43.180 poison so then she went to melbourne oh and here it describes a bit about her spider dance as well

00:21:51.700 so she it began with her pretending a spider was crawling up her dress honestly in australia

00:21:57.520 might have been a real spider yeah a huge baseball-sized spider so the uh the dance 0.99

00:22:05.660 continued with her being quote possessed by the spider and ended with her lifting her skirts to

00:22:09.880 reveal she's wearing nothing underneath so it's truly a burlesque performance i don't know if

00:22:13.960 burlesque was like a phrase used but this is like yeah this also reminds me i was asking because i

00:22:21.580 never know anymore i'm just like is this a famous person or is this just a famous person to me like

00:22:26.060 i don't i have no gauge anymore so i was asking my friend yesterday i'm like have you heard of

00:22:30.180 lola montez and she was like oh is that a drag queen and i was like should be kind of if you're

00:22:36.400 a history nerd as spanish so true true now i'm just thinking if you're a listener and you are a 0.95

00:22:43.120 drag queen like if you could do like the most like deep dive history nerd drag persona do lola montez

00:22:49.440 as a drag show and take a video and send it to us because i will die of joy yes please you could

00:22:55.680 dance to i don't know rosalia or like you know some spanish music so let's see historian michael

00:23:02.880 canon claims in september 1855 she performed her erotic spider dance at the theater royal in 0.98

00:23:08.500 melbourne raising her skirt so high that the audience could see she wore no under clothing at

00:23:12.760 all the next day um the police thundered her performance was utterly subversive to all ideas

00:23:18.900 of public morality respectable families ceased to attend the theater which began to show heavy 0.99

00:23:24.240 losses so much as she destroyed bavaria she's destroying this theater's income stream she was

00:23:32.180 how does she do it okay i keep pre-laughing as i read a thing before i read it loud but 0.86

00:23:37.180 she was denounced by the press but the mayor of melbourne sitting as a magistrate refused an

00:23:42.160 application for her arrest like she just knows how to get the men in high places to take her side

00:23:47.860 i'm really impressed that she's just like everyone hates me except for the mayor except for the chief

00:23:52.580 police the only person you need that one guy exactly exactly she would find that guy so from

00:23:59.420 26th november to 31st december she played the full houses in adelaide returning to a rapturous

00:24:04.680 welcome at sydney in january she opened up ballarat on february 16th in a series of sketches 0.95

00:24:10.960 oh here we go greeted by packed houses she invited miners to shower nuggets at her feet as she danced

00:24:17.900 so i guess australia is also having a gold rush did not know there was an australian gold rush

00:24:22.900 and i love the way that this way it's unfolding is that she asked please throw gold at me i think

00:24:29.000 that would be neat like i didn't know you could ask people to hand you gold nuggets

00:24:34.900 she has got like i don't who is it in i don't know x-men or something where it's just like

00:24:43.020 you can use your thoughts to make people do things like she has that telekinesis like ability to just

00:24:49.040 like make people do things it's weird and should not be getting away with any of this i don't know

00:24:55.940 it's working but it's been working for like 15 years at this point yeah it just keeps going

00:25:00.160 allison this is where i'm just like this is where i can't get into every detail of everything but

00:25:03.620 it's like she gets off she gets away with everything it is bananas part of this her

00:25:10.100 thing is also because again like i don't take away from like the people of ireland she is your

00:25:15.420 national heroine and i respect that but she was educated mostly in england by like upper in an

00:25:22.580 upper class way so she was very well spoken she was very her manners like she knew how to act like 0.96

00:25:27.800 a fancy lady and most actresses didn't have that background so she stood out from other performers 1.00

00:25:33.520 because she had this kind of like air of like quality fancy lady about her so she kind of stood 1.00

00:25:39.820 out in that way like people were often surprised that she was like very intelligent and could talk 1.00

00:25:44.680 about like political situations and things it's like yeah she's like a wild spanish accent the

00:25:49.880 whole time i think that fades i don't know we'll get to the part where she just like kind of like

00:25:55.540 disavows that but um let's see so right ballarat so this is a place that i know from miss fisher's

00:26:03.560 murder mysteries there's a episode that has the word ballarat in it anyway so the editor of the

00:26:10.800 ballarat times um wrote a bad review of her spider dance which you know she she didn't get in bed with

00:26:20.320 this guy figuratively or not and she's just like how dare you write a bad review of my spider dance 0.98

00:26:24.800 burlesque show and then she found out that the editor was like happened to be in the like foyer 1.00

00:26:30.980 of the hotel where she was staying so she came out with her riding whip to attack him 1.00

00:26:36.200 he had his own riding whip with him we love a bitch who comes prepared 1.00

00:26:42.540 so they just kind of had a so she whipped him he had his own whip he whipped her back 0.99

00:26:48.000 i don't know how you do it like a whip on whip duel you can't sword fight they're so weakly

00:26:54.040 like i can't picture it would just get stuck together wouldn't they how so in public like

00:27:01.480 outside of this hotel in ballarat i hope someone listening to this is in or near ballarat and can

00:27:08.460 send me a picture of that hotel i don't know the name of the hotel anyway ballarat it's a brigade

00:27:15.520 do some googling and take a picture for me anyway so they did this whip i guess the whips just got 0.97

00:27:21.060 tangled up or they just realized it didn't work whatever she challenged him to an official duel

00:27:25.200 either she gave him two options for this duel either pistols or sort of like in the princess 0.93

00:27:31.360 bride slash Russian roulette she would offer him a box with two pills one of which was poison and

00:27:36.980 one of which was not like the pilot episode of Sherlock I am obsessed with this can I say I'm

00:27:44.860 going to talk about Sherlock Holmes later on okay but um so she was just like I challenge you to a

00:27:50.180 duel either guns or pills where it's like do you know what poison is like he does not we've

00:27:58.200 established this in new orleans he did not take her up on this either option i want to say this

00:28:04.340 reporter is the hero of this i think this reporter he did not succumb to her charms he wrote a bad

00:28:11.540 review of her he came prepared with a whip and then he just like shut down her quest for a duel

00:28:16.080 he was just like no i'm not having any of it no a hero i love him yeah let's see so in fact he

00:28:22.620 published another article critical of her she mentioned the fact that he tried to poison him

00:28:28.380 secret pills yeah i mean i think we know a lot of this stuff because he wrote about it

00:28:33.800 but she also so i haven't said this but like just know that throughout her life she has been

00:28:38.800 a regular writer of letters to the editor at every city she's ever been just being like i am a

00:28:44.640 spanish person my broken english was taught to me by an irish nanny anyway so she put out a warrant

00:28:50.720 to arrest him on a charge of criminal libel for being critical of her but then she failed to

00:28:57.140 appear when the case came up for trial so i guess she didn't really care that much

00:29:00.700 she also just never goes to her trials wait here's just a sentence um she had meanwhile 0.62

00:29:07.520 been assaulted by the wife of her goldfields empresario and took a full month to recover

00:29:13.180 i don't know what that means i don't know who her gold i don't know what a goldfields

00:29:17.620 empresario is i just copy pasted a sentence it sounds dramatic whatever happened anyway i do

00:29:24.780 also want to mention that she has had malaria like since her she went to india for the second

00:29:30.000 time like she's had symptoms for her whole life that are like probably malaria so she has had

00:29:34.640 some illness we've had several people on the podcast lately who have had medical things with

00:29:41.320 them and her medical thing with her is that she just has long-term malaria apparently doesn't 0.89

00:29:46.460 stop her although i think she did say in um in some of her shows where she does the spider dance 1.00

00:29:52.120 she could be like oh the spider bit me i just i'm woozy for a minute so she could like work her like

00:29:56.200 symptoms into the performance yeah you know what make your accommodations lady i love it yeah 0.99

00:30:02.560 make your accommodations during your sexy spider burlesque performance for the old-timey australian

00:30:08.620 prospectors yeah you know what do you need to be able to do your job your job which is doing a

00:30:14.440 spider dance oh i need to talk about the spider dance in terms of the tv show dickinson so neither

00:30:20.800 of us have seen the tv show dickinson we have not despite the fact that both of us are the

00:30:24.860 target audience for the show exactly there's just too much tv there's too much tv i can't i can't

00:30:30.220 i'm too busy watching murder she wrote and old seasons of survivor i can't watch things

00:30:34.340 anyway so but there was like a mini flurry of articles about lola montez about a year ago

00:30:41.200 because in season two of Dickinson,

00:30:43.900 so Emily Dickinson's sister

00:30:45.880 is a character on the show

00:30:46.920 and she's dating this newspaper reporter.

00:30:49.180 And it turns out that the newspaper reporter

00:30:50.500 had had an affair with Lola Montez.

00:30:52.620 So Lola Montez does not appear on the show ever,

00:30:54.980 but I guess people mention Lola Montez

00:30:56.480 and then they look off screen

00:30:57.440 and like Spanish castanet music plays.

00:31:00.300 So it's like a recurring joke in season two. 0.52

00:31:02.580 And then the sister gets,

00:31:05.120 is so just like she feels so inadequate

00:31:07.880 knowing that this guy who she's into

00:31:09.540 was with Lola Montez before

00:31:10.860 and she did this famous spider dance.

00:31:12.300 So there's a moment where the sister

00:31:13.320 does a spider dance on Dickinson 0.99

00:31:15.300 to try and like,

00:31:17.140 and so there's articles

00:31:18.060 about the choreographer.

00:31:19.140 They're just like,

00:31:19.540 we don't know what Lola Montez's

00:31:20.700 spider dance was like,

00:31:21.580 but here's how we imagined it was.

00:31:23.560 So Dickinson, a TV show on,

00:31:26.480 I think Apple TV Plus

00:31:27.440 that I've been meaning to watch for a while.

00:31:29.800 Maybe now I will.

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00:34:44.340 And we're back. Let's see. So I just I'm going to say some more Australian place names.

00:34:48.540 Just shout out the Australian Tits Out Brigade because we've never been there before in an episode.

00:34:52.540 So April successfully toured Bendigo, Castlemaine and other Victorian towns.

00:34:58.620 and then she sailed back to san francisco with full end oh right right so i think that

00:35:04.860 she just got tired of doing lilamondas in bavaria or she ran out of money or she just like 0.96

00:35:09.720 decided to screw everybody over because she left her the other actors there and just went to san

00:35:14.900 francisco and just like abandoned the acting troupe in australia what am i supposed to do

00:35:20.460 oh i don't know i feel like it's up again australia or any of you descended from those

00:35:25.680 stranded actors did they just stay there become prospectors i don't i do not know what happened

00:35:34.340 to these actors but she had her manager full end formerly known as full in anyway so near fiji

00:35:42.740 he was lost overboard no official investigation seems to have followed so this is the second

00:35:49.020 water-based mysterious death of someone in her and i mean this is immediately after she stranded

00:35:55.040 like eight to 14 people in australia so like what yeah i will say though she does seem to have felt

00:36:02.480 badly about this because she i think when i visited folan's i forget family members or something like

00:36:08.620 i think sorry i threw your son off a boat near fiji really regret that i could see her life is

00:36:14.700 so chaotic they might have just been doing something goofy and he just fell overboard

00:36:18.000 she's like like not maliciously but they were just like i dare you to whatever you know like

00:36:23.340 and they're just like keep driving i messed up don't worry about it don't worry about it i left

00:36:28.060 him in australia too so she attempted a theatrical comeback in various american cities but this is

00:36:35.100 she failed in her attempts and so she pivoted to doing a lecture tour

00:36:40.900 about what i will tell you about what so one of her topics this is kind of like a ted talk

00:36:50.360 type thing so one of her topics was gallantry a talk about the gallantry of men including ludwig

00:36:57.940 the first she also did a talk called wit and women of paris which was kind of just talking

00:37:03.800 about the people she met in paris like george sand alexander dumas she had a talk about romanism

00:37:10.260 which was a harsh critique of the catholic church and she also had a talk called heroines and

00:37:16.180 strong-minded women of history aka vulgar history should i do an in-person tour

00:37:24.800 i think so but you have to you have to choose the nationality you're going to pretend to be

00:37:29.040 for the whole time well i think we know it's going to be french because that's my best accent

00:37:34.400 your jerry arbok is very good um so yeah the heroines and strong-minded women of history so

00:37:43.120 this is like where we were like 1858 so it's like early days of like suffragette like women's rights

00:37:48.760 like baby movement is like starting she's what like 35 now she is in her 30s yes but so

00:37:57.200 her talk about heroines and strong-minded women of history was basically one might be mistaken to

00:38:04.420 think oh she's like being a suffragette influencer it's not really so she her this talk is about how

00:38:10.900 women warriors and queens of history were great but uh the like her contemporary women suffragettes

00:38:19.580 were also uh she called them scolds and thought they were annoying nice so she also she published

00:38:26.440 she published a book um like so many reality tv stars who are just like oh i need to like what

00:38:34.440 can i do like my reality tv show is done i'll write a book her book was called the arts of beauty

00:38:40.480 or Secrets of a Lady's Toilet 0.72

00:38:43.020 with hints to gentlemen

00:38:44.400 on the art of fascinating.

00:38:47.240 Nice.

00:38:47.880 She's gone for the full 1.00

00:38:48.900 Instagram influencer.

00:38:50.440 Yeah, very much.

00:38:52.180 So the first part of the book

00:38:53.380 is Secrets of a Lady's Toilet. 0.59

00:38:54.420 I also love that she almost

00:38:55.560 titled this book

00:38:56.200 the same way Donald Trump

00:38:57.160 titled his book.

00:38:58.000 Like, we really love

00:38:58.860 a nice construction there.

00:39:01.740 It's good.

00:39:02.860 Did she write this book herself?

00:39:04.640 No.

00:39:05.220 I mean, did she?

00:39:07.220 So the beginning of the book

00:39:08.520 is a beauty guide for women

00:39:09.760 with recipes for like skin creams 1.00

00:39:12.300 and advice for how to maintain a shapely figure.

00:39:15.500 Here's a quote.

00:39:16.960 Exercise, not philosophically

00:39:19.240 and with religious gravity undertaken,

00:39:21.200 but the wild romping activities of a spirited girl

00:39:23.840 who runs up and down as though her veins were full of wine. 1.00

00:39:27.760 So try whipping, it's great for the arms. 1.00

00:39:31.640 Everything should be done to give joy and vivacity

00:39:33.780 to the spirits for nothing so much aids

00:39:35.640 in giving vigor and elasticity to the form as these.

00:39:38.660 she does talk about how no serum or clothes or makeup can make a woman more beautiful than her

00:39:44.300 intelligence and her confidence oh that's like really good advice from 2005 no it was actually

00:39:52.160 like kind of progressive for its time although comma she does also include recipes for skin

00:39:57.080 whitening oh and then she let's see she talks about she talks about like the ideals of female

00:40:06.700 beauty which is basically kind of like dark hair big eyebrows look as much like me as possible 1.00

00:40:12.220 have straight teeth here's a quote the bosom should be white and charming neither too large

00:40:19.380 nor too small the breasts equal in roundness and firmness rising gently and very distinctly

00:40:24.240 separated it should be exactly big enough to make king ludwig the first very suspicious here's

00:40:30.660 another detail this gets very anatomical actually the sides should be rather long and the hips wider

00:40:36.560 than the shoulders and go down rounding and lessening gradually to the knee the knee should

00:40:41.740 be even and well rounded how like what if i'm not about that how am i supposed to fix my knees

00:40:46.720 and then okay but the best part of the book is the second half of the book which is the rules

00:40:52.400 for men on the art of fascinating which is actually like a sarcastic parody book where

00:40:57.140 she just kind of like says sarcastically here's what you should do but it's like she it's like

00:41:00.640 clearly here's her phrase where she like is incorrect there's something about like never

00:41:06.680 take no for an answer like pursue women even if she like faints dead away it's like she's being

00:41:11.240 sarcastic she actively is being sarcastic she has this one passage i'll read to you about basically

00:41:15.600 man spreading so it's 50 rules this is rule 27 always make yourself comfortable in the presence

00:41:21.040 of a lady which you may do by sitting on the outer edge of your chair and allowing your shoulders and

00:41:25.200 body to fall backwards while your legs are projecting forward into the middle of the room

00:41:29.020 and thrown apart like the divergent prongs

00:41:31.380 of an immense pitchfork.

00:41:33.120 This is an elegant and tempting position.

00:41:36.220 I see she has met people on public transit.

00:41:39.780 She also, so she's doing this lecture tour.

00:41:43.580 I think she published the books around the same time

00:41:45.180 so she could like sell the books at the lecture tour

00:41:47.100 because books, plural, like her second book

00:41:49.780 was her autobiography

00:41:51.640 slash written copies of her lectures,

00:41:56.240 which is just called autobiography and lectures of lola montez which is how we know the contents

00:42:02.040 of her lectures so yeah she wrote the book and then she wound up in new york city

00:42:09.660 and she started or maybe she always had been but she was helping like women in need

00:42:19.820 question mark she was doing i think she was like i don't know i don't know okay she spent her last

00:42:26.640 days in rescue work among women so she was doing some sort of good deeds type stuff like maybe some

00:42:33.020 of the proceeds from her lecture tours went to like help women's shelters or something like that

00:42:36.440 that sounds lovely and also wildly out of character like where did this come from it does here so

00:42:42.480 november 1859 the philadelphia press reported lola montez was living very quietly uptown and doesn't

00:42:48.460 have much to do with the world's people some of her old friends the bohemians now and then drop

00:42:52.860 in to have a little chat with her and though she talks beautifully of her present feelings and way

00:42:56.260 of life she generally by way of parenthesis takes out her little tobacco pouch and makes a cigarette

00:43:00.800 or two for self and friend and then falls back upon old times with decided gusto in effect

00:43:05.140 but she doesn't tell anybody what she's going to do so i think her valeria was getting worse is

00:43:11.700 what's happening like i think she just wasn't up to performing anymore oh and then also at the time

00:43:18.880 she did the lecture tour this is where she just sort of like was like i was born in ireland

00:43:22.460 like her autobiography is like i was born in ireland then i went to india then i went to

00:43:26.560 scotland i'm not from spain i decided to say i was from spain so she just like gave up all the

00:43:30.920 pretense and was just like owning by the way yeah it's kind of like her new era she's just like oh

00:43:36.240 guess what that was all a lie but i'm still famous so here we go and she seems to have acquired

00:43:42.360 somewhere along the way also syphilis she had a stroke at a very young age she was 39 which may

00:43:49.720 have been an effect of like combined malaria slash syphilis type situation and she got she just died

00:43:57.280 very quickly like we've been going and going and suddenly she's like now she's dead like wait wait

00:44:01.380 wait you did say like in her last days about 30 seconds ago and i was like but we're there's so

00:44:05.600 many more days to have i know i know she died age 39 that's it and this is another thing i wanted to

00:44:12.700 mention so she's buried in the greenwood cemetery in brooklyn new york i know there's listeners

00:44:18.740 there go to that cemetery and take a picture because please her tombstone says mrs eliza

00:44:27.880 gilbert which is like not a name she ever had like she was born eliza gilbert but she's never

00:44:34.400 mrs eliza gilbert she's mrs james and then she's mrs other last name so the name is wrong it's not

00:44:39.340 even lola montez the gravestone says died age 42 but she was in fact 39 but like so many people

00:44:45.740 she fudged her age because but this is weirdly saying she was older than she was i think do you

00:44:52.060 think she just had so many lies at this point that like no one knew she looked at her autobiography

00:44:57.200 we're like we had no idea what her name is she didn't know i'm sure she didn't know so this is

00:45:02.400 legacy slash in popular culture so here's some things you might have heard of lola montez has

00:45:07.840 been mentioned by several writers as a possible source of inspiration for the character of irene

00:45:12.520 adler it's all coming back in the sherlock home story a scandal in bohemia the character

00:45:20.220 is a popular performer who influences national politics through her relationship with a powerful

00:45:25.280 individual and is also smart and beautiful so he has a whip in the sherlock tv show for no reason

00:45:34.180 but but maybe this reason maybe it's this reason it's it's totally not this reason that's just

00:45:40.020 like steven moffat is a gross person is the reason so now i did not again i didn't have time to dive

00:45:46.200 deep into everything but so there's the musical damn yankees which i will recap because you hadn't 0.93

00:45:51.780 heard of it until i told you about it what i told ann was that i had always assumed damn yankees was 0.92

00:45:56.860 one of those many many musicals that's a bunch of navy sailors go to new york for a day because

00:46:02.060 that's like most musicals so i had just assumed i didn't care and then ann told me what it's

00:46:07.080 actually about yeah so it's a retelling of the story of faust i didn't know which is written

00:46:15.580 by christopher marlowe right uh yeah it's probably based on the german version though yeah so it's

00:46:21.740 basically a guy in 1950s who is like quote middle age in this context a young man of 40

00:46:30.340 um he he's a fan of the the yankees the baseball team but they always lose so then he sells his

00:46:38.160 soul to the devil who in the musical is portrayed as a person called mr applebaum and then so that

00:46:45.260 the yankees could win the pennant and so what mr applebaum does is he turns the guy whose name is

00:46:49.720 joe um into a young strapping like really good baseball player so he'll be the star of the

00:46:56.640 yankees team the yankees will win blah blah blah but then to make sure that he doesn't renege on

00:47:00.720 his promise mr applebaum gets his assistant whose name is lola to sort of like seduce joe and because

00:47:08.080 joe is always tempted to go back to his wife who he loves so lola is there to be like sexy she

00:47:12.780 sings a song famously whatever lola wants lola gets allegedly that was a phrase that people said

00:47:19.160 before that musical but when you look up the phrase all that comes up is the musical but

00:47:23.120 anyway the phrase was allegedly about lola montez and frankly is accurate whatever lola wants lola

00:47:29.020 gets that is true that is the story of her life so i think the character of lola in the musical

00:47:35.960 who is shown to be like she was a human who then sold her soul and now she's like the devil's sexy

00:47:41.400 assistant she does a song um no whatever lola wants lola gets is like a spanish infused song

00:47:48.160 So I think it's, I think the character is inspired by Lola Montez.

00:47:51.720 It's like a Lola Montez type person, a character in Dan Yankees.

00:47:55.360 I don't know if this is true, but I'm going to make a theory that the whole concept of

00:48:00.520 just like Lola as the typical name for just like a showgirl person, I think came from

00:48:06.420 Lola Montez. 0.98

00:48:07.120 I don't think the name had that connotation before her.

00:48:11.320 I don't think because like, do you know the song Copacabana by Barry Manilow?

00:48:16.460 Yeah.

00:48:16.680 Her name was Lola. 1.00

00:48:17.260 She was a showgirl.

00:48:18.160 i was thinking of lola the bunny from space jam yeah yeah it's just sort of like lola is a name

00:48:24.960 that just kind of means like a sexy person or slash a showgirl i remember for no reason that

00:48:31.340 i can ascertain when kelly ripa had her daughter she i don't i forget if it was like vaginal birth 1.00

00:48:38.340 or c-section but she basically said her daughter emerged from the womb like a showgirl coming out

00:48:43.620 and they're like well we have to name her lola because it's just like the way her birth was so

00:48:47.560 it's just like the name Lola is just like I love that you remember that about Kelly Ripa's baby

00:48:53.000 that's just I love that it's I don't know if I remember that until I was reading but Lola and I

00:48:58.800 was just like wait is this the genesis of just like the entire like just Lola as a name I think

00:49:03.400 she was so famous so everywhere and she like marketed herself like she did a play about her

00:49:09.160 like Lola Montez is a famous person there's several movies telling this story the first

00:49:14.560 movie was in like 1919 like it was just a famous story people enjoyed the most best known question

00:49:20.200 mark movie is 1955 there's a french film called lola montes starring martin carroll it's part of

00:49:26.340 the criterion collection i have not watched it but i guess it starts with like i read a synopsis

00:49:31.580 so it's like it starts with like lola is at a circus which sure like she's performing at a

00:49:37.760 circus and then a bunch of men come out representing all of her past lovers and then the movie is like

00:49:42.920 flashbacks of her remembering her time with ludwig and her other lovers i guess her time in the

00:49:48.600 australian goldfields was the subject of the musical lola montez staged in melbourne brisbane

00:49:53.940 and sydney in 1958 i love that everyone took her lead and just named everything about her

00:49:59.620 lola montez that's why yeah like she just really it's like lola montez trademark like she made her

00:50:05.360 name such a vital part of herself which is why it's insane her grave is like mrs eliza gilbert

00:50:09.940 i just would love to have heard the musical lola montez from 1958

00:50:14.780 recording was made released on lp at that time anyway joanna newsome has a title track on the

00:50:22.800 album have one on me is about lola montez now when you look up lola montez on youtube because

00:50:28.340 i was like i wanted to see some videos i want to like see what people are saying

00:50:31.300 there is a danish metal band called volbeat that has and they have a song called lola montez and

00:50:37.440 most of the YouTube search results are this band Volbeat and their song Lola Montez and their music

00:50:42.600 video the lyrics reference the spider dance and the um co-whipping fight with the newspaper guy

00:50:49.880 I have to know before you keep going was the co-whipping fight the detail that made you think

00:50:55.000 I have to get Allison on the podcast was that the one the fact that he had a whip yes yes yes okay

00:51:02.060 good now I feel like you know me well no I was just like she had a whip it's like wait and he

00:51:06.360 had a whip and i could just hear you in my head being like why did he have a whip he had a whip

00:51:12.260 happy yeah no that was absolutely so there are two lakes named after her in tahoe national forest

00:51:22.000 in nevada county california i don't like lake lola i guess there's also a mountain named in

00:51:29.420 her honor mount lola at 9148 feet it is the highest point in nevada county california and

00:51:36.500 again everywhere she went well not everywhere she went but like in grass valley there's like

00:51:41.600 lola montez's house you can like visit there and there's her grave site bavaria i'm sure there's

00:51:47.900 nothing probably nothing in warsaw either warsaw never heard of her lola montez that name is not

00:51:56.000 familiar to me at all and that is the story of lola montez i love her she's a disaster

00:52:04.960 she like really genuinely contributed nothing to the world but made sure that she was famous 0.99

00:52:11.780 anyway and good for her it's she just yeah she just kept going in this unrelenting way

00:52:21.200 but i love that like from the time she was like a little toddler like in the streets of calcutta

00:52:26.760 she was just everyone was just like oh no oh no she said oh yes lola yes um i forgot this detail

00:52:37.260 too but i'll just mention that when her mother found out that like she had rebranded herself

00:52:41.580 as lola montez and was doing what she was doing across europe her mother had a funeral for her 1.00

00:52:46.960 saying my daughter my daughter is dead they are the same person they are both messy bitches who 1.00

00:52:54.000 live for drama and that's the problem that's the thing so it's just i don't know the mother 1.00

00:52:58.580 i find the mother fascinating and i think the mother must have looked a lot like her

00:53:02.400 just because the father was blonde and lola was so dark but i think the mother i think she's

00:53:09.000 if you're gonna do a movie or something i think the mother-daughter relationship could be a good

00:53:14.600 crux of that movie yes i would watch that i love that the mother's just like my daughter is dead

00:53:19.860 and she took it to the extent of like and i'm having a funeral for her i feel like she would

00:53:22.820 be like and i called the newspapers to come to the funeral and like i'm lola montez's mom like

00:53:26.960 i feel like she's got that energy it's truly wild to me okay now we need to score her i'm just

00:53:33.040 bringing up my okay well we do have the lady jane seymour memorial award for outstanding

00:53:37.440 supporting performance i think there's not any ludwig maybe does it have to be someone who

00:53:43.680 actively helped the heroine of the story or can it be outstanding supporting character who i love

00:53:49.520 personally because i would like to give it to the australian journalist with the whip his name was

00:53:54.960 harry c camp and yeah i think that would need to be a different award but i think like he gets the

00:54:01.660 allison's choice he does get that for sure allison's choice or definitely but yeah outstanding

00:54:07.740 supporting performance it's usually where someone is just like in a shitty situation and one person

00:54:11.640 is good to them but she was terrible to everybody slash mysterious deaths surrounded anyone who

00:54:18.340 dared to get close to her some but there was a quote somebody said about like if you get close

00:54:22.760 to Lola like you will probably have your life ruined and yes it is true you'll probably fall

00:54:27.460 off a boat in your Fiji and that's the end you're either gonna marry her or get thrown off a boat 0.70

00:54:33.000 and that or both who is to say okay so I mean do we I don't know we can discuss this but like

00:54:40.400 how would you score her for scandalousness on a scale of zero to 10 very very high i think it's 0.97

00:54:47.300 the answer i think she's a 10 i i think she's bringing scandal with both hands i think that's

00:54:53.940 all she's bringing to the table and she's very proud of that i think that is going to be her

00:54:57.640 highest scoring category for sure but just like every this is where like i was going through the

00:55:02.420 this biography the one by bruce seymour and it's like i maybe perhaps one day would like to write

00:55:08.140 my own biography of lola montez that's gotten more like narrative to it his is just kind of

00:55:12.340 like an itinerary of like did this happen this letter happened this person said this was like

00:55:16.040 there's so many details i'm like these details are also great and i'm just like this podcast is

00:55:19.200 going to be 15 hours long i can't bruce bruce seymour like bless you but like i can't there's

00:55:24.220 not time but every day well even the fact like you know like she's going to be arrested so she

00:55:30.480 like strips off all her clothes or she's going to be arrested so she's like but that's not really

00:55:33.480 my name or she like marries a guy for citizenship and his inheritance and then he mysteriously dies

00:55:38.900 the thing with the poison vile label poison yeah yeah it's all for the drama every single thing

00:55:47.880 there's two there's point of drama too many examples of like i can't if she's not a tenant

00:55:54.240 scandalousness truly who is like you're right like this is what she's bringing to the table is

00:55:58.520 just that yes the way that she just lived for like a tortoise laying its eggs 1.00

00:56:05.320 can that be the merch for lola i think it will be a tortoise with a whip yeah

00:56:12.340 um the way that she just never seemed to have long-term planning she was just like now i'm

00:56:19.200 doing this she didn't even have short-term planning no no just like i'm here now and

00:56:24.240 i'm gonna dance i don't even know how the dance is gonna end but i'm here she's just like i've

00:56:28.220 got my castanets i'm on stage at the royal opera in paris like let's go like the confidence to go

00:56:35.760 out there with four months of dance training to dance in front of the audience who's there to see

00:56:40.800 the paris ballet and like to pull that off every year for 20 years is like amazing the fact that

00:56:50.360 she never got stopped yeah the only thing that stopped her was malaria yeah like wow it's well

00:56:59.120 and the way that she also like her pivot where she's just like oh people don't love the like

00:57:02.920 lola montez and bavaria play about her bringing freedom and democracy to bavaria they're like

00:57:09.340 they don't love that so i'm just gonna do a spider dance oh they don't love that i'll do the spider

00:57:13.280 dance burlesque style and that's but sexier it's like oh i'm having malaria symptoms i'll just like

00:57:19.320 take a breather in the middle of it like oh my malaria is worse like i'm just gonna go do some

00:57:24.020 lecture tours and if the spider had malaria that's just incredible that pivot in particular

00:57:31.020 okay well and that brings us truly to scheminess and this is again where i ask you the question

00:57:36.540 do they have to be good schemes i think i think the quantity of schemes she had

00:57:43.940 overrides any thought about if they were good schemes or not because they were all bad schemes

00:57:49.920 none of these are like oh she schemed her way out of prison or she schemed her way into the

00:57:55.240 throw into the country it was like she pretended to be spanish badly well and like her schemes

00:58:01.820 quote-unquote it's like when she went and she broke all those windows and they were like who's

00:58:04.960 gonna pay to replace the glass and then she like look over there a man who broke those windows and

00:58:09.960 she ran away like that's the level of schemes we're talking about here you're right you're

00:58:13.280 her schemes are just kind of like it was one scheme and it was like find a rich man who will 0.61

00:58:19.980 protect me while i do whatever the fuck i want until i'm run out of town by an angry mob then

00:58:25.140 find another rich man like they're not you know some of the schemes but there are a high quantity 0.96

00:58:31.520 of schemes the poison vile labeled poison that was the scheme unless it really was poison we don't

00:58:38.320 she drank it she and she did not die so i think it was probably just probably water that but that

00:58:48.560 is like you too that's like a roadrunner like wily coyote level like poison her way across

00:58:56.340 19th century it's true complete with like literal yosemite sam i know this is a looney tunes person

00:59:04.940 holding up a sign that says bang and then running away with the whip oh my god yeah

00:59:09.980 you're right you're right these are not i was like oh she's so scheming like no she's not

00:59:14.660 she's just she's a tortoise laying her eggs and running away being like well let's see what 1.00

00:59:18.160 happens with that okay i'm gonna do you have to bump i was gonna give her a low score but i do 0.98

00:59:22.780 think you have to bump it up for persistence like she didn't stop scheming till the day she died

00:59:28.000 but like was she good at it no but like the the quantity like the fact she lived to be 39

00:59:33.320 and how many yeah i don't know like i do agree like it's definitely more than a five but like

00:59:40.180 even the fact like as a little kid she was like sticking flowers in people's wigs like these

00:59:44.320 aren't schemes this is just kind of like a board yeah yeah anything like six and a half let's let's

00:59:54.300 say a six a six for scheminess yeah because it's just she had no lack of i don't know you're right

01:00:00.920 because it's like the scheminess that we reward in this is more kind of like clever thinking like

01:00:04.580 resilient and she was this is not fredigan kind of scheming what she's doing no no this is she's

01:00:10.880 they're just kind of like we're gonna arrest you and she's like but can you arrest me

01:00:13.440 if i don't have my real name on my passport like okay okay significance now this like

01:00:24.280 significance to like world history is like no she's not like a queen she's not whatever

01:00:28.400 where i would put her for significance is like the fact that there's like people in australia

01:00:34.420 are like let's write a musical like there's so many musicals and movies like she made herself

01:00:39.980 this is like again like as a modern day figure i just think of julia fox where you're like who 0.83

01:00:44.140 are you why do i know your name you dated kanye west for two days and now you're like walking

01:00:49.780 and he's like what is happening but are you just have these muse for uncut gems uncut gems

01:00:54.940 um yeah so she just i don't know i like this isn't to do with her significance but

01:01:03.000 it's such a common thing now that people like all these people are famous just for being famous

01:01:07.380 when you talk to like tiktokers or whatever it's like no like lola montez was famous for being

01:01:11.720 famous this is not like oh my god what's wrong with us it's 2022 people are famous for no reason

01:01:15.720 it's like people have been famous for no reason throughout all of human history and lola montez

01:01:20.940 was really good at it

01:01:22.380 with like a weird

01:01:23.200 instinctive knowledge

01:01:24.740 of how to keep herself

01:01:26.060 famous. 1.00

01:01:28.220 Yeah.

01:01:29.160 So the significance

01:01:30.320 is like,

01:01:31.820 I don't know,

01:01:32.280 like Lola as a name

01:01:33.500 has now been refashioned

01:01:35.200 entirely around her.

01:01:37.840 She has a mountain

01:01:38.540 named after her.

01:01:39.600 That's pretty good.

01:01:40.420 Mount Lola.

01:01:41.280 I love it.

01:01:41.720 It's like one giant breast

01:01:43.140 is how I think.

01:01:46.340 Perfectly formed.

01:01:47.100 Someone points at it

01:01:47.660 and goes nature or art.

01:01:50.940 that could be the shirt just a mountain it says nature or art there's definitely something here

01:01:57.300 so her significance I mean I do think like in terms of people we've looked at it's like we've

01:02:02.780 even like um Hortense Mancini like introduced champagne to England um and she also like was

01:02:10.260 the first woman to write a memoir and like Lola just like was like oh hey here I just like paid 0.75

01:02:14.380 a ghostwriter to do this like book of like how to bleach your skin and like have good knee shape 0.99

01:02:18.700 lola fucked around and never found out that's what she did yeah yeah so her significance i 0.89

01:02:25.560 don't know like what's your what's your gut feeling about this like she's not insignificant 0.99

01:02:30.460 it's not zero i'm gonna say i want to say a four yeah yeah and that would be i don't know if we

01:02:37.760 want to tabulate exactly but like one of those points is just for like the name lola is now what

01:02:44.000 it is because of her she has a mountain and two lakes named after her like her house is a national 0.95

01:02:49.340 historic site of like california like there's like i don't know it's like she prematurely

01:02:56.480 ended the reign i don't know if you ask the people of bavaria how significant is she

01:03:00.680 they might have a different answer but like i feel like bavaria was in chaos already she

01:03:07.780 exacerbated that but he like i don't think she changed the course of history in bavaria like

01:03:13.220 ludwig abdicated his son took over like things just kind of like yeah yeah she's not like leading

01:03:19.460 the french revolution although her play i guess was kind of okay and then this is what i've been

01:03:26.580 thinking about so the sexism bonus is i added that category for people who perhaps could have

01:03:33.840 accomplished more had they not been held back by the patriarchy i don't think that affected lola

01:03:39.740 very much i no i don't think patriarchy was what was holding her back necessarily i don't think

01:03:46.700 anything was holding her back i mean we do have to say that she was almost married to a 64 year

01:03:52.380 old man when she was 14 like she is not no points per second right and she was saved from that by

01:03:57.740 being by eloping with a 29 year old man who then abused her abused her so that's like yeah comma

01:04:04.240 and from there she really that didn't really hold her back that really just kind of like got her

01:04:11.740 going yeah i don't think at any point they were i would i've thought in this story oh if lola

01:04:18.820 montez was a man this would all be different yeah i think it's like i had when i started the podcast

01:04:26.840 i was like everybody gets a five because patriarchy is blah blah blah but like i don't think sexism

01:04:32.520 gotten her way much like this is a category that's there to help increase scores for women

01:04:36.220 who could have done more but didn't and she did everything she set out to do i think she did and

01:04:43.120 i think she also like she found like she knew and this is not a criticism whatsoever but she like

01:04:48.120 knew what the world was like she's living in it's like i'll find the most powerful man

01:04:51.520 i will win him over to my side and then i'll be able to do whatever i want and that was true and 1.00

01:04:57.340 she did she wasn't like i'm gonna and the fact that she was all like oh suffragettes they're 1.00

01:05:01.240 such scolds they're just whiners like she wasn't like yeah women although she like allegedly helped 0.98

01:05:08.640 women later in her life i'm not sure i don't know like uh like a two

01:05:15.000 one for each terrible marriage i'd give her a three a three yeah i just don't want to

01:05:23.640 undersell how bad both terrible marriages were but like i agree with you 100 that like

01:05:29.020 this is not this is not a case study in sexism this is a case study in um walk around and be

01:05:37.180 terrible yeah yeah she just was the fact that she was just like never she was arrested so many times

01:05:45.320 but she was never imprisoned like she always got out of things either because like the mayor or

01:05:51.200 the magistrate was like oh that's just lola being lola or she's just like surprise it's my naked

01:05:56.620 body or like i have a whip like she just always got out of it oh boy this is thank you allison

01:06:05.700 like this is just like in the last 48 hours there's been so many things i'm just like

01:06:10.240 every time i learned a new fact when i was like finalizing my notes i was like i need to tell

01:06:13.400 allison i'm like no save it for the podcast i'm like but i have to tell us no what for the listeners

01:06:18.220 what she's been doing instead is sending me messages and say i have a fact to tell you tomorrow

01:06:22.300 and not saying the fact

01:06:23.980 and i have to say you delivered with all of the uh expectations you had set for this podcast

01:06:32.260 lola montez queen of my heart she is yeah and i i this episode is gonna air like not

01:06:39.840 right away ish so potentially by the time it airs you will have done a dirtbags of history

01:06:44.960 newsletter about her i certainly will be yes yes at some point it's like subscribe to

01:06:51.980 dirtbags of it was a dirtbags of history is that it bags through the ages their bags through the

01:06:56.720 ages yes i will drop am a link that you can put in the show notes because yeah no this is a story

01:07:04.580 i was reading through it i'm just like this is this is the thing this is where i have you on

01:07:08.380 the podcast i think it's a crossover moment like a vulgar dirtbags situation this is the kind of

01:07:15.040 historical story that i go absolutely feral for which is a person who was just causing chaos

01:07:21.080 through history not they don't have to be particularly significant they don't have to like

01:07:25.420 really change the world in any way they just have to suck in a way that's really in yeah

01:07:30.840 lola is giving me she's no exactly this is in the way that i just like stumbled upon this story

01:07:38.960 while i was researching cc and i had to be like no and focus focus on cc focus on the like actually

01:07:44.560 significant historical figure but also can i say i cannot imagine two historical women less like

01:07:50.600 each other than cece and lola yeah like honestly just like the i don't know what the word is the

01:08:00.260 audacity i guess like the fact that she like went to munich she became the mistress of the king

01:08:06.420 and she was just like and i'm just gonna keep being exactly the same and not amend my behavior

01:08:11.420 whatsoever is like bold you know like there's other people who are like oh now i'm the mistress

01:08:17.000 like i'm gonna like clean up my act i'm gonna like act in this proper way and she's just like

01:08:21.300 hey he likes me for me so i'm just gonna be me whatever lola wants lola gets and she did

01:08:28.720 she got everything i mean also just like the audacity of being like hmm okay like she's like

01:08:35.240 i've actively done six intermission you know two minute castanet dances it's like we're ready for

01:08:42.260 the paris opera house yeah it's like you know i'm gonna do a cross europe tour oh and i'll just

01:08:47.840 like commission a play about me starring me as me

01:08:53.520 it's a fantastic story and i couldn't not have shared this with you thank you so much

01:09:03.200 thank you so much for telling me the story and introducing me to uh favorite your bag of q3 i'm

01:09:10.700 delighted. Thank you so much, Alison. Oh, so you have your newsletter, Dirt Bags for the Ages. I

01:09:16.660 will put the link in the show notes, et cetera. And then you have two books, which if some, if

01:09:22.120 this is someone's first time hearing on this podcast, tell people, well, you have a book and

01:09:25.140 then another book. Sorry. You have a book that is out and then a book that will be out. So tell

01:09:28.920 people about your books. The book that is out now is called A Tip for the Hangman. It is a

01:09:34.160 historical thriller about notorious historical dirtbag, Christopher Marlowe, a friend of

01:09:39.660 shakespeare and his uh espionage career uh available in paperback everywhere you buy your

01:09:44.880 books um i'm sorry sorry and so does the paperback not have a quote on the cover from me it does it

01:09:51.060 says it's from book riot but it's been the book right article that anne wrote so yeah get it for

01:09:56.760 that yeah um second book is called let the dead bury the dead it's an alternate history 19th

01:10:02.580 century russia book set shortly after shortly before um lola's failed visit to saint petersburg

01:10:09.580 so they don't overlap but they almost i was wondering when we got to the same periods

01:10:12.940 record i'm like is this the part that allison's book is about it's like five years later so you

01:10:17.320 need to re to rewrite the book to have lola show up it is out next september and they will not let

01:10:24.360 me do that okay so okay but maybe for the paperback we're gonna add a little epilogue

01:10:30.340 that's just when all my characters meet lola and they're just like what exactly if you would like

01:10:38.840 to hang out with me in person i'm not sure exactly when this episode will be airing but i'm also

01:10:43.260 teaching a virtual historical fiction workshop starting next month uh and you can register for

01:10:49.020 that if you want to and come hang out with me uh in the evenings on wednesday night starting that

01:10:53.200 is by next month you mean october yes 2022 again i'm not sure when this is gonna yep i'll throw it

01:10:58.960 in there if it's too late then you can feel sad that you missed it yeah but when it's coming up

01:11:03.400 I will post those links on the Instagram and stuff as well.

01:11:07.120 And I mean,

01:11:08.900 yeah,

01:11:09.260 I don't,

01:11:09.740 I don't know.

01:11:10.160 I'm just like,

01:11:10.540 I feel like I need a cigarette after all this.

01:11:12.660 Like this is just like,

01:11:13.880 I feel like I need a whip just to like.

01:11:19.700 Thank you so much,

01:11:20.620 Alison.

01:11:21.420 Thank you so much.

01:11:23.380 Here's the thing.

01:11:25.020 So that was an incredible discussion of truly a person who just like jumped out of a history

01:11:32.940 book and forced me to learn more about her. And I'm glad she did. Lola Montez, iconic tits out

01:11:39.560 legend in my mind. I mean, her score, everybody's score is great. She's not, you know, we're not

01:11:47.900 going to rename the Fred again, Memorial Scandalicious Scale for her, but like, I'm never

01:11:52.200 going to forget that saga. Will you? So we've got more episodes coming up for the next several

01:11:59.460 weeks i'm just giving you like a prolonged heads up like this season will end at some point i don't

01:12:05.400 want you to be surprised when it does but there's still like several more people to talk about so

01:12:09.880 don't worry about it if you and also it's not like and when the season ends that's not the end of the

01:12:16.660 vulgar rescue podcast that just means like i'll take a little hiatus rest my voice after all this

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01:14:29.620 Jefferson. We've got Henry VIII. We've got Napoleon, actually, which also features today's

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01:14:40.240 christopher columbus like this just is just me dissing the great men of history it's a good time

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01:14:56.620 and i talk about various costume dramas we have done recently les mis the russell crow hugh jackman

01:15:04.260 musicale. We've also done an actually good musical, which is Newsies. And coming up,

01:15:11.620 I'm not sure when this episode airs, but we're going to be doing Queen Margot. Have I said that

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