Vulgar History - Peg Plunkett, Ireland's Most Successful Whore, part three

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00:00:30.000 Hello, and welcome to Vulgar History, a feminist women's history comedy podcast. My name is

00:00:44.780 Anne Foster. And first of all, this is season seven of this podcast that has been going

00:00:49.240 on now for almost five years. And this is also part three within that part three of

00:00:55.400 the Peg Plunkett three-part saga. This is the climactic finale of the Peg Plunkett saga.

00:01:02.760 So in parts one and two, we learned about this young woman and how she fled from her horrible

00:01:08.200 brother, Christopher, to thrive in kind of casual sex work. And then it turned into like literal,

00:01:15.640 like actual professional sex work. She opened her brothel and she just kept thriving despite 1.00

00:01:20.440 being in the midst of this situationship with a really toxic, horrible man called whimsically, 0.99

00:01:26.900 although he sucked, Buck Lawless. Then she ran afoul of the Pinky Dindies. Again, a cute name 1.00

00:01:35.600 for horrific organization of just awful people. And through it all, Peg just kept brushing herself

00:01:41.620 up and having a baby every year and just like kept going at it. And this is part three of this

00:01:47.800 three-part saga. And our guest for this episode as a husband for parts one and two of the Peg

00:01:52.400 Plunkett saga is Karen Moynihan. So Karen is a friend of the podcast. She's also a podcast

00:01:58.340 co-host herself. She co-hosts with Anna Carey, Double Love, the Sweet Belly High podcast,

00:02:03.460 my most favorite of podcasts. I'm so delighted to get to chat with her on this episode.

00:02:09.460 She's the one who brought Peg Plunkett to my attention in the first place. So Karen,

00:02:12.480 Thank you for that. And also, she's a graphic designer, and she is the genius mind behind numerous of the designs in the Vulgar History merch store, including merchandise that I've been teasing these last two weeks that I'm finally ready to announce is available in the Vulgar History merchandise store, which is a Peg Plunkett design by Karen Moynihan.

00:02:35.660 so the image it kind of the layout looks like sort of an advertisement or like you might see in a

00:02:40.920 coaster for an irish pub sort of vibe it says peg plunkets and then there's lots of words on it

00:02:47.580 all of them historically accurate and or hilarious so it gives the address on druggie to street in

00:02:53.240 dublin established 1778 then there's sort of a profile picture peg's face her beautiful face

00:02:58.380 and profile you know some of the rules of the establishment are listed on this design as well

00:03:02.160 manners encouraged first served first come it's peg's motto it also says all pleasures and

00:03:08.220 peculiarities welcomed strictly no pinking dindies permitted and there's one more joke on this design

00:03:14.360 that i'm not going to tell you because it'll ruin the jump scare that's going to happen in this

00:03:18.260 episode anyway you can get this beautiful design on various things you can get this on a t-shirt i

00:03:23.120 think it looks nice it's like a white design so it looks nice in a green background or on a black

00:03:27.600 background you can choose your color you can also get this on magnets on stickers when i was going

00:03:32.600 through the the site to just sort of choose what to want to put the design out there are lots of

00:03:36.540 options that i did not choose but i was just kind of like this is pretty iconic for peg it's duvet

00:03:41.720 cover a bath mat and i was just like imagining her establishment having peg merch in it and she

00:03:47.800 would have merchandised the hell out of it if if these sorts of companies have been around then 0.99

00:03:51.280 you could also get this though on coasters which is a real peg vibe travel mug various things anyway

00:03:56.760 the way that you can get this merchandise is if you're in the united states i recommend going to

00:04:02.140 vulgarhistory.com slash store and that takes you to our t public site which is a great service for

00:04:08.740 people who live in the united states in terms of shipping fees if you live anywhere other than the

00:04:12.780 united states i recommend going to vulgarhistory.redbubble.com all the same stuff is available

00:04:18.020 on both sites it's just the red bubble site is better for people outside the u.s and t public

00:04:22.820 works great for people within the u.s and i know there's people listening from all over the place

00:04:26.660 and I think we all want this Peg Plunkett merch.

00:04:30.100 So anyway, the links are in the show notes as well

00:04:32.460 so you can pick up your Peg merch

00:04:34.480 and I think that's enough of a preamble.

00:04:37.760 Frankly, this is the third part.

00:04:39.860 If someone's listening to this

00:04:41.020 but they're listening to parts one and two,

00:04:43.080 you know, I support your choices.

00:04:44.760 I think you might understand it better

00:04:46.280 if you listen to parts one and two

00:04:47.440 but if you just want a raw dog episode three,

00:04:49.600 I think Peg would be in favor of that 1.00

00:04:51.400 as evidenced by her continual pregnancies 0.91

00:04:54.300 she kept experiencing. 0.99

00:04:55.920 Anyway, here's me and Karen wrapping up this incredible saga of a true tits out pioneer, Peg Plunkett.

00:05:09.780 Her life, like it's reading it like if it was a novel or a book or a movie, you'd be like, oh, you know, here's what I want her to do.

00:05:16.280 But it's like, no, she needs to continue living in this city.

00:05:18.760 And so this is the thing.

00:05:20.340 Yeah.

00:05:20.640 And yeah, it's a tricky time to be a woman full stop.

00:05:23.140 so I mean she's she's having to deal with a lot yeah so her decisions that's where I want that 1.00

00:05:28.840 like final scene of showgirls moment where she just like kicks the shit out of him yeah so badly

00:05:34.900 but that's not you know that's not what she's able to do it just it wasn't going to be feasible 1.00

00:05:40.100 yeah well and then you know moving away from that into another petty woman-on-woman bitch 0.94

00:05:44.880 rivalry an English actress named Anne Catley comes to Dublin to perform 1.00

00:05:50.560 yes oh Anne

00:05:52.720 um and so Peg just please tell this story okay so Peg discovers that Anne has apparently spoken 0.98

00:06:03.020 scurrilously about Peg to this like gentleman friend of hers and Peg is like she fucking what 0.86

00:06:07.980 as soon as she hears about this so she like runs around trying to find this Anne Cattley she's not 0.97

00:06:11.680 at her house she's like all right fine she's at the theater can't find her there either so Peg is

00:06:15.100 just like dying for a fight basically to just confront this woman can't find her anywhere 0.50

00:06:19.760 It's about two days later, she's in town in her carriage and she sees Anne coming out the stage

00:06:24.620 door of the theatre that she's in. So Peg calls her over to the carriage and basically tells her,

00:06:30.220 who the fuck do you think you are coming over here and slagging me off? And she calls her 1.00

00:06:33.720 a streetwalking London ballad singer and says she'll have her hissed every time she comes on 1.00

00:06:38.880 stage. And an hour later, Peg sees her again and she's like, I'm not done yet. And she keeps going,

00:06:45.140 just firing insults at this woman just like you little bitch how dare you um so at this point Anne 1.00

00:06:52.200 runs into a shop and faints or at least pretended to do so is how Peg puts it. Herman my pills she 1.00

00:06:59.220 said. Big time Herman my pills uh Anne is there with her son I think so yeah she runs into the

00:07:03.720 shop faints Peg is like she's pretending to faint um so it's this whole big to-do and goes running

00:07:08.940 to this friend of hers Colonel LaSalle's uh and he's like oh this will not stand so they go to

00:07:14.500 sue peg for slander for all this abuse that she's thrown at her in the street and it goes to a jury

00:07:21.020 trial where the anti-english sentiment and the way that peg has been get like influencing her

00:07:28.540 way to spending so much money in the shops and encouraging other people to buy more fabric

00:07:31.860 sides in her favor the jury love peg everyone loves peg they love her uh yeah it's like she

00:07:40.360 He says that, yes, some of the gentlemen observed to the rest, it would be a pity not to favour a woman who, by spending considerable sums amongst traders of this city, was of service to it, preferable to a woman who was only a bird of passage, who came here to pick up all she could from the public and then carry it to another country, as it was well known that Kathleen never laid out a single farthing in Dublin that she could avoid. 1.00

00:08:01.400 So the jury are like, all right, fuck her. 0.99

00:08:03.120 We're obviously siding with Peg. 1.00

00:08:06.020 I love that.

00:08:06.880 I love that.

00:08:07.260 And that's why, like, when we were mentioning, like, the hoop skirts and the fabric, like, everyone is just, like, Peg, you're popularized and, like, wearing literal curtains on the...

00:08:14.680 Yeah, let's do it.

00:08:16.560 Love this.

00:08:17.120 Love you, Peg.

00:08:17.940 Like, everyone...

00:08:19.960 Everyone loves her.

00:08:20.600 I love, I love, I love this.

00:08:23.600 Yeah, just the fact that they took her to court and she's just, like, I'm Peg Plunkett. 1.00

00:08:27.400 So, like, fuck you. 1.00

00:08:28.700 Yeah, come on. 1.00

00:08:29.100 Yeah.

00:08:29.460 And everyone's, like, we love you, Peg.

00:08:30.340 Nice try.

00:08:31.060 Yeah.

00:08:31.540 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.88

00:08:32.260 Nice try, Anne.

00:08:32.840 and then buck lawless tragically not yet dead and still in the story

00:08:40.680 he was in london and peg was like well go hang out with him in london for a while i guess

00:08:47.380 yeah yeah she doesn't really want to but he keeps writing to her so she's like all right fine let's

00:08:52.740 let's give this another shot i guess oh peg please don't like i have had friends who are in where

00:09:00.980 you just like break up with this person oh god and they do but then they get back together and

00:09:06.780 then they like this is like relatable content it really is this is the thing she's a relatable

00:09:12.820 queen yeah i mean there's like celebrity stories you see like this where you're like oh my god

00:09:17.220 finally these two are split up and it's just like oh god no you took him back no oh my 0.79

00:09:22.260 buck lawless um so anyway she moves in with buck lawless but right away finds out that he

00:09:29.760 has another woman who he's like living with or something yeah he's keeping a girl behind her

00:09:35.440 back it's kind of how it's it's put in the book but yeah so don't know what that means but like 0.92

00:09:39.600 yeah there's another woman on the scene so peg at this point she's like all right fuck this so

00:09:43.780 she gets her own place but still in london she's like i'm gonna hide out here for a little bit at

00:09:46.800 least and see what story is but uh yeah she moves to her own her own lodgings in london okay i need

00:09:52.080 to take this next part because this ties in i am as listeners know and you probably do too i'm

00:09:57.060 currently working on writing a book about carolina brunswick yes and this is peg plunkett meets the

00:10:03.060 prince of wales aka pretty the future regent the husband of carolina brunswick i was like

00:10:08.900 oh content for my book but also peg plunkett relatable queen like trolls him as i would if 0.71

00:10:17.700 i was there so she's fucking amazing oh my god so she's great so she so he's like i don't know 18 0.53

00:10:23.080 or 19 at this point he's like he's not yet mara carolina brunswick but he's like everyone hates 0.98

00:10:26.960 him already because he sucks she goes in a fabric store and he's in the same fabric store and he's 0.86

00:10:32.720 like oh i want this velvet and this silk and whatever and then peg goes up and she's like 0.99

00:10:36.400 i too want that velvet and that silk and she's just like trolling him basically because she

00:10:43.160 wants to send it to her shoemaker in dublin as a gift is kind of the real kicker there that it's

00:10:46.900 like not even for someone fancy it's for my shoemaker love it I love that she sees him and

00:10:53.880 that's her first instinct oh she's so great she's so great yeah and then she was out I believe

00:10:59.320 riding she was riding a horse and he's in a carriage I think is what happened yeah at first

00:11:03.540 I was like are they both in carriages no she's riding a horse she's going to go visit a friend

00:11:06.340 and his carriage came up behind and they're like move it's it's the prince and then she yells back

00:11:12.780 at him i i want to feel like she like slows down her horse to like say directly to him in his

00:11:17.940 carriage oh yeah and she says quote there is room sufficient there is one half the road for him and

00:11:22.560 i have as much right to the other half as he or anyone else um the prince scowled at her and

00:11:27.500 looked as sour as if he would have bitten her nose off is how i described it and then she kept

00:11:32.220 trolling him she kept galloping to keep up with the carriage riding next to him the whole way 1.00

00:11:36.380 it's so fucking good it's so good and all he can do is glare at her and she's just like 0.99

00:11:40.380 yeah i'm still here bitch like i love i love i love her i love her like i love her so i could 0.97

00:11:47.020 love her more i'm just like oh like this is one of my historical nemeses is printing the piece of 0.99

00:11:52.580 wales and i'm just like yes peg fuck up his day like honestly an irish woman giving shit to a 0.98

00:11:58.940 monarch i'm like who is not here for that come on because her friends ask her afterwards why she 0.99

00:12:05.260 didn't move aside and she said to them yeah part of the road was for my use as well as for that of 0.99

00:12:09.780 the king and if you english are servile and timid we irish are not so get their asses peg an irish 0.97

00:12:17.040 icon just a petty icon we love it so petty and i love the pettiness it's so good it's so good 0.98

00:12:23.520 it's so non-stop like life circumstances another person might not still have this spirit about them

00:12:30.020 but peg is this is the thing she's she's just great she's resilient like she's not gonna not

00:12:36.520 be herself anyway she falls ill with pleurisy which oldie timey disease as far as i know yeah

00:12:45.020 but she she fell ill but stayed out dancing because that's just her vibe yeah i think in

00:12:49.420 her memoir she actually says i tried to dance it off and it's like beg no

00:12:52.820 that is not the answer it's like i'll go to a ball it'll be fine which again feels like something

00:13:00.540 jessica wakefield would do honestly very jessica she's very jessica coded i have to say like she's

00:13:05.260 so funny yeah so anyway dancing does not cure it um so she took to bed takes a bit for a month

00:13:11.740 afterwards during which time her household staff stole all her stuff oh man yeah um so she's just 0.96

00:13:18.000 like fuck london and went back to ireland um and everyone's happy to see her she's back of course 0.96

00:13:24.200 they are they're delighted they're so happy to see her she stays with oh yeah sally i think is 0.99

00:13:29.080 living with this lady mal hall they're probably running a brothel together in the meantime 1.00

00:13:33.020 um so she just hangs out with them until she kind of gets back on her feet because she has 1.00

00:13:36.700 some stuff still with her she had bought enough presents i think at this point and they weren't 0.88

00:13:40.960 stolen in the big fucking theft by the by the staff before she left so she has enough stuff 0.92

00:13:46.820 when she comes back that people don't think she's broke so she's got all these fancy presents for 0.98

00:13:50.040 her friends so they're all just like oh cool peg's back and she's got loads of presents for us this

00:13:53.200 is fucking great she's amazing well that's kind of the thing with peg just to foreshadow her later

00:13:58.940 era she it's always very important to her to have fancy beautiful stuff and just as a business 1.00

00:14:03.860 decision like she wants to be like my establishment is the fanciest I am an elegant like she wants to

00:14:07.940 appeal to very rich people so she always has the best of everything the yeah exactly so she needs 0.98

00:14:14.120 to always look wealthy even if at this point she's not actually wealthy yeah that's really important

00:14:19.860 I guess in that and in her trade as well I mean you need to look fancy yeah yeah and you need to

00:14:23.860 you want people to walk in and see like oh it's like nice clean i don't know sheets and like

00:14:29.400 sparkling silverware like everything has to look nice because that makes people want to come there 0.76

00:14:34.620 of course yeah makes sense okay then the thing happens with the italian impresarios

00:14:38.880 okay yeah these guys yeah so it's this italian violinist signor carnavali comes to smock alley

00:14:48.860 which is this like really famous theater in dublin at the time and he decides that these

00:14:53.420 nights of the opera he's going to run are going to bar certain kinds of people from attending and

00:14:57.540 as peg puts it every lady of my description so obviously she's not having that so she just buys 0.97

00:15:03.100 her ticket and goes to the theater anyway and then is thrown out by the doorman uh she loses 1.00

00:15:08.120 an earring in the whole frack because she puts up a fight she's not going quietly like ever

00:15:12.480 and she's furious at this so she gets a warrant against them for assault and robbery because they

00:15:18.480 detained the ticket that she'd paid for and didn't let her oh i thought the robbery was the earring

00:15:22.520 oh no i think it's the ticket okay okay she's like i've got other earrings so yeah she's um

00:15:29.460 she returns she gets the like the meanest bailiffs that she can find comes back with them 1.00

00:15:35.280 who then haul carnavali and his doormen off to newgate prison um because she's just like fuck 1.00

00:15:40.460 you you can't tell me i can't go to the theater like i go to the theater and those are my seats 1.00

00:15:44.800 and you can't just take my money and not let me in not happening but this is also like her

00:15:49.100 connections like she brings in like the she knows the bailiffs she knows the barristers like she

00:15:53.500 goes to them and they're like oh yeah peg for you anything yeah let's go yeah absolutely let's sort

00:15:58.000 her out yeah then she goes back to try to get in the theater again um but they're like all is

00:16:02.820 forgiven please come in oh yeah yeah they give her the they give her the freedom of the house

00:16:08.240 i think is how they put it so she can just go for free now to the opera and she's like okay she kind

00:16:12.860 of like don't actually want to go that much so she goes a few times just to make the point so that 0.90

00:16:16.440 people can see her there and know that like she's won over his stupid rules and that they obviously 1.00

00:16:21.320 didn't apply to her because she's Peg Blunkett. What are they going to do? Not let her in. Like 0.99

00:16:24.320 not going to happen. I also, I'm a hundred percent on her side at this point. Um, but also she is

00:16:30.420 the one who started the feud with Kitty that led to people yelling abuse in the theater seats. So

00:16:37.980 that is true. So one might understand someone wanting to apply some rules to theater decorum.

00:16:46.440 i guess i also feel like the theater at the time was also just super fucking rowdy and it's like

00:16:50.980 nobody was sitting there quietly behaving themselves you know it was fine it was a bit

00:16:54.640 of a free-for-all yeah so and then um at least in oh my cat is here just so you know

00:17:00.940 so that's not your tail okay no it's not my tail there slapping the microphone 0.99

00:17:06.000 um so she decides to host a masquerade oh hell yeah like specifically because the government 1.00

00:17:14.980 have banned them she's like all right time to do one so yeah so it was like the new trendy thing

00:17:20.160 like i don't know as masquerades as a thing had just started earlier that century um anyway so

00:17:25.880 yeah dublin had banned masquerades due to leading to some public disturbances in the recent past 0.63

00:17:30.440 which is a real vague way to say oh yeah clearly some shit went down so julie peakman says peg was 0.73

00:17:38.520 unconcerned about the law as its representatives would be at the party yeah they were 0.97

00:17:44.160 yeah she uh she organizes it to have it in her own house prints up 200 tickets for all her pals

00:17:49.440 the whole thing is the talk of the town and then as she puts it those who had tickets applauded my

00:17:53.520 spirit those who could not procure any condemned me for my impudence so basically if you were going

00:17:58.220 you were happy about it and if you weren't you were just jealous and bitter but also like the

00:18:02.580 concept of a masquerade party and the costumes just is again very sweet belly high coded because

00:18:08.420 they love a costume party we really do honestly yeah it's it's it's a lila fowler party exactly

00:18:14.860 exactly so yeah and she threw more than one masquerade i just wanted to mention her costumes

00:18:19.440 at some of them cleopatra um messalina which i love i've i haven't done a messalina episode but 1.00

00:18:26.080 she was a trashy slutty bitch from roman history and that's a great choice peg um and then also 0.94

00:18:32.760 ironically she came up dressed as Diana aka the chastity the goddess of chastity and there is a 1.00

00:18:39.220 line from her about it how she's kind of saying well you know it is a masquerade like so I have

00:18:43.020 to come as some assumed character so obviously I'm coming as the goddess of chastity because 0.97

00:18:47.020 she's just she's such a funny bitch like I love her I love it I love it I know and I and her

00:18:51.980 costumes were always that sort of like a queen or goddess um and some of the other people it's like 1.00

00:18:56.960 and she came dressed as an orange seller and she came dressed as a nun like her costumes were on a

00:19:01.760 different level from the other people they didn't really understand the brief of the costume yeah

00:19:08.140 she got it don't this is an orange seller

00:19:10.420 i don't know i have the glamour come on yeah i have this orange i guess i could just like pretend

00:19:17.320 i'm an orange though um sure okay so she's just like you know earlier the biographer had been

00:19:23.580 like this was the happiest time of her life i'm like no this is the happiest time of her life

00:19:27.720 she is having a great time here she like her house is hopping everyone's mad about her she's

00:19:33.860 just having parties having a great time just riding whoever she wants like she's she's living 0.77

00:19:39.460 it up she is and so she fell in love with a handsome soldier take a drink every time she

00:19:45.060 falls for a handsome soldier named robert gorman and so this i like this story because um his

00:19:52.920 his father perhaps understandably who is like i forbid you i guess fair from seeing peg and kept

00:20:01.160 a watch over him but peg had bribed the household staff oh she's just so good at winning over

00:20:06.160 household staff that's the thing but not her own apparently because they keep robbing her but

00:20:09.660 everyone else yeah yeah which is interesting that's a great point um yeah but i love this

00:20:15.120 so the father was like you know the staff is going to watch him and he's like how does he

00:20:18.120 keep getting out i don't understand yeah i think robert is literally climbing on someone's shoulders

00:20:24.840 to get out an upper window to sneak out and see her and he eventually catches him and he's like

00:20:29.280 okay i'm gonna have to send you off somewhere yeah he says i'm gonna send you off to india

00:20:33.340 to be a soldier in india yes um because again this is a time period where like the english

00:20:39.640 colonial project is going all over the world yeah um but then this is great so so you know

00:20:47.860 he's like okay i have to go to india peg but you know first i've got to london because that's where 0.99

00:20:52.080 i'll be deployed from but then his departure was delayed and peg was like i'll come fuck you in 0.99

00:20:56.360 london hooray for six months yep which and the father is just like oh damn it how does she keep 1.00

00:21:10.100 doing this she's like what's the thing it's like weebles wobble but they don't fall over like she's

00:21:15.500 just like that is her yeah yeah she's just like always finds a way so um so after he goes off to

00:21:23.160 india i guess but he did write her like letters oh he had like a miniature of her that he took

00:21:28.180 with him and stuff oh that's cute which is like good for you but like you know she's gonna be 0.99

00:21:32.500 fucking and she actively is fucking like 25 people today as soon as you were like literally out of 0.95

00:21:37.900 her eye line it's over like yeah yeah so she goes back to dublin um and this is where so we're still 0.99

00:21:45.160 in the american revolution era but soldiers were hanging out in dublin waiting to be deployed to

00:21:50.780 fight in america and she's just like hot hunks everywhere i'll choose one and she chose handsome

00:21:58.420 jack or a man i don't know what's his real name in the book it's jack saint leger yeah jack saint

00:22:04.900 ledger is mentioned very briefly he she just says that he was her particular acquaintance and

00:22:09.500 charming indeed far exceeding all i ever knew so he does sound like a very charming dude

00:22:14.340 yeah so the julie peakman looked up to be like who is this guy and i was like oh who's this guy

00:22:19.900 so he's aka handsome jack that is yeah right um so he was an army officer slash courtier and a

00:22:28.380 close friend of prinny the prince of wales okay and prinny said handsome jack was one of ye best 0.98

00:22:35.980 fellows that ever lived so which coming from him must mean like this guy fucks i was gonna say 0.86

00:22:42.740 yeah what's his take on people like though okay so um jack saint ledger um so already 0.93

00:22:50.100 an accomplished rake yeah i love that that's a job title basically in georgian era england and

00:22:56.540 ireland it's like oh he's a rake oh okay cool i know everything about him now exactly so he had

00:23:01.420 some years earlier hug out the court of louis the 16th in france so he's just like bucking his way

00:23:08.800 or whatever he probably met marie antoinette probably at that race yeah he was just kind of

00:23:13.360 i don't know he's just he's handsome jack he's just like a hot guy and he's anyway so let's see

00:23:20.140 so oh and actually so prinny's father george the third who is the king at this time in england

00:23:26.000 um aka farmer george from queen charlotte a british and story um okay yeah of course anyway

00:23:32.800 the madness of king george anyway his dad was like prinny he was like stop hanging with handsome 0.92

00:23:37.420 jack he's a bad influence on you so anyway that's who peg is fucking now yeah it's like legendary 1.00

00:23:46.840 fuck boy this is kind of like her equal in terms of fucking around it's yeah the fuck boy and the 1.00

00:23:54.840 fuck girl good for them that would be a lovely regency romance novel 1.00

00:23:58.760 united at last they're at the top level yeah so what is handsome jack doing in ireland 0.99

00:24:09.340 well he had spent all his money and i think he was um just kind of set there to stay out of

00:24:16.260 trouble for a while so while in dublin he teamed up with buck whaley who you mentioned before

00:24:21.740 um to revive the dublin hellfire club notorious for their debauchery which is another i would

00:24:28.260 I guess the way you describe the pinking dandies like I assume it's another like gentleman's club

00:24:32.060 slash gang exactly so yeah and the Dublin Hellfire Club were act they were like a 1730s kind of 1740s

00:24:39.620 kind of crew and so Buck Whaley's dad was Robert Chapel Whaley and he had a nickname of Burn

00:24:46.980 Chapel Whaley because he hated Catholics so much and would literally just set fire to churches 0.89

00:24:50.820 so he set up the Hellfire Club with another gang of assholes um and they had this clubhouse out in 0.98

00:24:57.040 the Dublin mountains that's still there it's a ruin now but it is the Dublin Hellfire Club out 0.96

00:25:01.080 in the mountains um it's very cool uh but they had a painting made of them and everything that's in

00:25:05.740 the National Gallery like that you can look up and just see all these guys in their big giant wigs

00:25:09.200 and it's like the Dublin Hellfire Club there they are and there was a Limerick Hellfire Club too

00:25:12.640 there was a bunch of Hellfire Clubs all around the place and in England too but yeah but Qualey so he

00:25:16.720 he tried to revive it but their group was called the Holy Fathers instead of the Hellfire Club so

00:25:21.860 he did kind of try and get it going again under this other name but again it was just a club of

00:25:26.320 rich guys drinking and causing trouble yeah I just have one story one fact to share about

00:25:32.240 handsome jack which is that there was a whole thing about like oh is he having an affair with

00:25:37.060 this woman and later it turns out like yes he was but the reason why the like scandals because

00:25:41.960 she was married the scandals rumor started because he um I don't know okay I don't know

00:25:49.220 about like meal etiquette in like 1780s dublin but i guess you would swish water in your mouths

00:25:58.020 to clean your teeth after eating okay and he erotically drank this woman's used tooth

00:26:04.760 cleaning water and everyone's like herman my pills are they having an affair whoa what else 0.97

00:26:11.940 sharing he's not concerned about her fluids nope oh my god like how do you do that in a sexy way

00:26:22.040 it's just i think you only can if you have the looks of handsome jack you see being a handsome

00:26:27.980 man will get you far that's the thing yeah and so he's like no no we're not having an affair but in

00:26:32.640 fact later on they did um and she was some very scandalous woman too but i i had to include that

00:26:37.620 detail because i didn't know do you still do this in ireland i don't know funnily enough no no okay

00:26:44.480 that's not how you declare just do a regular tooth brushing and keep that water to yourself

00:26:49.720 so this is her lover at this point i feel like they're at i really think they're at a similar

00:26:55.680 level of just like definitely audacity anyway so at this point peg is in her early 40s at the

00:27:01.500 height of her profession, the reigning vice queen of Dublin. That's her, yeah. So her establishment 0.90

00:27:08.400 was known as the best in town. I think it always had been, but now everyone knew. And everyone went

00:27:13.560 there, lord lieutenants, judges, politicians. She kept things new, like she kept, you know, revamping,

00:27:19.520 getting new wall hangings and new. I think she'd moved to a new house at this point. This is Pitt

00:27:24.060 Street. Yeah. So Pitt Street is, there's actually a hotel on that site now. So it's the Westbury

00:27:29.360 hotel in dublin is kind of pretty much you know about where this house would have been when she

00:27:33.960 set it up is where i will stay when i come to dublin you should yes ghost of peg she's just 1.00

00:27:42.700 knocking around there somewhere probably still pregnant probably but um she yeah she spent loads

00:27:47.700 of money on this house and she made it uh it was kitted out in like superb and luxuriant style with

00:27:52.660 like lascivious prints and paintings her footmen all had like embroidered livery uh there was a 0.91

00:27:58.300 fresh importation of gorgeous new girls over from like Covent Garden and Drury Lane that she had

00:28:03.340 handpicked herself. So she's set up. This house is gorgeous. The girls are gorgeous. Everything's

00:28:07.840 lovely. So she is ready to go in this new place. I do like the mention of the erotic artwork,

00:28:13.720 because later we learn that she is a fan herself of reading pornographic books as well. She just

00:28:18.460 everything about her is just horny. She's so horny all the time. She's like Samantha from 1.00

00:28:26.860 sex in the city is her vibe actually basically yeah yeah but has been since age 15 well look 1.00

00:28:35.520 yeah i mean that lady is never not pregnant because she is just constantly yeah okay so at

00:28:39.800 this point charles manners the fourth duke of rutland came to town so he is i will say this

00:28:46.520 and you can explain what this is so he was the new viceroy of ireland tasked with achieving anglo-irish

00:28:52.680 union yeah okay that's like when oh what's his name um jared kushner was like he's gonna solve

00:28:59.400 peace in the middle east like i feel like it's the same thing it's like

00:29:04.080 yeah charles you fix this yeah you can sort this out right she's like yeah sure i'll just go hang

00:29:10.700 in dublin for a bit it'll be fine yeah and what did what did peg write about what did she write

00:29:16.220 about when he like burst in literally yeah she because she was just having tea with her pals

00:29:21.080 Like she was I think Kitty Netterville was there as well.

00:29:24.420 They were all just having their tea, chatting, having a nice time.

00:29:27.340 And he just kind of turns up with this huge like armed guard of guys beside him on horseback, just like bursts into the house.

00:29:34.600 And he's like, I'm here now.

00:29:36.700 And she's like, OK, cool.

00:29:38.120 And he only wants Peg because she's the best.

00:29:40.680 But she's into him, too. 0.99

00:29:42.060 So they just party and drink and fuck for like 16 hours. 0.99

00:29:45.420 And all his guards stay on horseback outside the house while this is happening. 0.99

00:29:49.960 16 hours.

00:29:51.080 yep so it's super obvious that he's there because his entire like armed bodyguard are outside the

00:29:57.040 house all night long so everyone's starting to gather around the house like what's going on in

00:30:02.340 peg's place why are there all these like militia dudes on horseback all night long and like she's

00:30:07.960 been sending out food and drink to all the guys on horseback in the meantime as well so they're all

00:30:11.720 well fed and aren't going to try and move them along or anything i think this is how they're 0.98

00:30:14.460 going to solve the anglo-irish conflict just fuck your way to unity i think if you put 0.98

00:30:21.000 peg in charge she could do it i think so and so he said um i don't know how she described this in 0.99

00:30:29.000 her book but he was so impressed by her that he promised that he would put her on the government

00:30:33.240 pension list under an assumed name he clearly did not based on her finances but yeah she does say

00:30:39.640 that he did that yeah but as far as she's concerned yeah he did that and it happened and isn't that

00:30:42.760 great i was like oh peg no he didn't that's another like relatable queen thing about her

00:30:48.800 is she's still like despite everything she's been through in all the situations and how she's so

00:30:52.780 smart in so many ways she still is so naive about things there's this real innocence to her it's so

00:30:59.160 weird isn't it that you kind of feel like she'd be real cynical at this point but she just isn't

00:31:03.300 she just still has this kind of optimism and hopefulness to her like yeah trusting and always

00:31:09.480 the people that she absolutely shouldn't like so there is this weird naivety to her but she's just

00:31:14.980 she's so endearing I just I love her so much I mean at these points I'm just like Peg you need

00:31:19.400 to follow up on these things finances was not a part of her life you know what but she grew up

00:31:25.580 I don't know like Christopher was just being like no one has any money ever so I think like as a

00:31:29.920 reaction the fact she's like and I shall now spend all my money constantly like a sort of a trauma

00:31:34.620 response maybe no yeah probably yeah like she just never had anything saved like to to hold her over

00:31:40.640 for any any time ever she's either having the best time living the best life drinking all the

00:31:44.940 champagne or she's completely broken has nothing there's kind of no in between with her like it's

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00:34:59.300 and we're back okay so she she and charles manners are fucking around and everyone knows 0.79

00:35:07.400 newspapers are full of stories about peg and charlie do you want to share the story about the 0.83

00:35:12.260 the hilarious repartee in the theater in the theater this is so good yeah so it's like a few

00:35:18.020 nights after this first night uh peg is at a show in the theater with all her girls manners is there

00:35:24.000 in the royal box with the duchess his wife uh and these guys in the gods all start shouting at her

00:35:29.460 and they're like peg peg who lay with you last and then as she puts it i with the greatest 0.84

00:35:34.640 nonchalance replied manners you blaggards and like the joke is so good that even the duchess 0.72

00:35:41.900 is laughing her ass off in the box too because she's very chill and i think she's probably 0.99

00:35:44.600 fucking around as well so everyone thinks this is hilarious so it's like no one's the butt of 0.98

00:35:49.460 the joke here it's great and everyone's having such a good time everyone's just having such a 0.88

00:35:53.900 good time yeah and it's such good word play too like honestly fair play iconic iconic so then

00:36:01.440 she's just like everything again like she's just like thriving everything's going great

00:36:04.960 and then October 1784 her business partner and best friend Sally Hayes died after a long probably

00:36:12.240 venereal illness potentially poor Sally yeah because she really was a proper friend to her

00:36:17.540 like she never fell out with sally they were always pals and like if they were going off on

00:36:20.860 day trips together it was with sally like she was just a proper like a good friend to her yeah

00:36:25.760 so at this point like i don't know narratively in her life but this is the part of the biography

00:36:30.440 where uh julie peakman was talking about peg and this is part of her like optimism and sort of

00:36:36.120 hopefulness and trusting but she was devoted to rescuing unfortunate young women like she herself 0.93

00:36:40.800 had been so sometimes that meant offering them jobs to work with her um sometimes she would

00:36:46.600 mediate a return to their families or husbands yeah she does talk about that a bit in her memoirs

00:36:52.060 because she's kind of she I guess the point that she's writing these things at she's at this stage

00:36:58.640 you know a very kind of trying to not explain herself but she's saying you know and I know

00:37:02.280 what I did was terrible and then she'll go on and tell like the funniest story ever and you're like

00:37:05.320 no that was amazing and she's like but there's also all these good things that I did and she

00:37:08.860 did have this really good heart I think and tried to look out for people so like yeah if girls were

00:37:12.880 turning up on her doorstep looking to board with her it's like unless they were already in the 0.92

00:37:16.780 trade she wasn't interested and she was going to try and get them back with their families and if

00:37:20.220 they were like no no my family's horrible she'd be like I'll speak to them and I'll sort this out

00:37:23.380 for you like she didn't try and lure people into her way of living at all and in her book she does

00:37:29.100 say I never in my life was an accessory or instrumental to the corruption of any girl

00:37:33.900 nor ever received in my house anyone who had not already been deluded is how she puts it

00:37:39.320 so like basically she's not interested in like corrupting the young or anything like that 0.59

00:37:43.900 so I do think she was trying to look out for people and for girls who she probably related

00:37:47.760 to if they were having a tough time at a young age she was like don't end up don't end up like

00:37:51.880 me like try and let's get you sorted out let's get you fixed up somewhere nice yeah

00:37:56.020 one sees sometimes in stories about like you know brothel owners or whatever there's kind of like 0.97

00:38:00.980 the kindly motherly figure who's kind of looking after everybody and she really was that she

00:38:05.820 actually was yeah because i guess you know it's easy to think oh they were all these like

00:38:09.400 you know mean bods that were tricking girls up from the country and like trapping them into this

00:38:14.040 way of life and like no there was obviously people like peg on the scene too who were trying to look

00:38:18.140 out for people and and not trying to lure anyone anywhere they were you know she was doing her best

00:38:22.580 i think by people as much as she could oh i do want to mention that she there was also like in 1.00

00:38:27.360 terms of like sex work and brothels and whatever like there had been a prostitutes union yeah

00:38:32.940 love that unionize girls yeah and peg we know peg and sally had attended at least one meeting 0.96

00:38:39.720 of that so like this was a proper business situation like it wasn't yeah yeah no and she

00:38:46.700 even refers to other women in the trade as like the sisterhood so it does feel like they were a

00:38:50.380 community like and they did try and look out for each other it seems like rather than be rivals

00:38:53.880 and obviously there was a bit of sparring here and there with someone like kitty but i think when

00:38:57.700 she actually had her own brothel and other women did too they didn't seem like they were in some

00:39:02.580 kind of mad competition with each other they were kind of trying to help each other i think and i

00:39:06.540 feel that in the sisterhood of podcasters i think um i've never encountered a like everyone is so

00:39:14.980 supportive and kind just in terms of podcast supporting other podcasts i find that that's

00:39:19.060 that's a similar sort of like we're all just out here trying to figure out what the hell we're

00:39:22.320 doing we're all just we're all just doing our best here yeah exactly it's like we're not in

00:39:26.640 competition with each other because it's like no we're podcasters it's like we're not broadcast

00:39:32.640 television like there's not people can listen to as many podcasts as they want um of course yeah

00:39:38.160 okay so a guy named barry yelverton which surprised me because barry to me feels not

00:39:44.860 like an oldie time name but it really doesn't very yeah anyway barry yelverton proposed marriage to

00:39:51.760 pig he was the second son of the chief baron of the court of the ixchucker so basically he was

00:39:57.460 gonna inherit money and a title probably and pig said no yeah several times um but then eventually 0.89

00:40:04.320 she's like uh this will get me money so okay yeah she says that the the title the honorable 0.98

00:40:11.820 mrs yelverton so tinkled in her ears that she was like all right fuck it let's do this 0.87

00:40:16.360 so she decided for the first time um although she's been calling herself mrs leeson for 0.93

00:40:22.240 this whole time really a long time now yeah because the father wouldn't consent so they

00:40:27.600 had a super secret sexy marriage wedding ceremony much like you did um

00:40:33.160 in the dublin equivalent of like a las vegas chapel um yeah but pretty much right away she 0.97

00:40:44.700 was like oh no this is a bad idea this guy sucks yeah he kind of cools off on her like immediately

00:40:50.340 and he was the one chasing her but it is that classic thing where it's like well now he's got 0.95

00:40:53.200 her and he's like oh yeah i don't know if i even like you that much now it's like oh dude what are

00:40:56.820 you wasting her time yeah exactly so the dad who was just like did not support this he's like peg

00:41:01.060 will give you 500 guineas to dissolve the marriage and she's like deal deal yeah nice one she's like

00:41:08.000 yep this was a bad idea anyway i'm out of here thank you make some money on it for sure absolutely 0.75

00:41:12.600 yeah and then i'll mention also peg often supplied girls for parties at these we talked about these

00:41:18.280 various men's secret societies um including the anecdote club of free brothers quite a name yeah

00:41:25.800 i hadn't heard of those guys and some of them were genuinely just like a very dry like dining club or

00:41:30.300 something and obviously they were fucking too but like um yeah not all of them i guess were

00:41:35.380 up to absolute divlement and beating people up for no reason so some of them were just guys who 0.89

00:41:39.920 just like to drink and have a bit of sex so that's fair enough too and these guys are cool because

00:41:44.460 they were so popular the anecdote club of free brothers made her an honorary member

00:41:48.740 and presented her with a body poem called guide to joy written by yeah mrs h of drum condra who was

00:41:58.380 yeah one of the mistresses of prinny he keeps popping up

00:42:03.900 yeah and apparently this poem guide to joy was uh it was like an ode to the house on pit street and 0.97

00:42:11.320 just how great a house it was to go have sex in basically because peg is amazing i just love that

00:42:17.260 they made her an honor member here um and this is also where julie peakman mentioned peg was known 0.91

00:42:22.760 to enjoy reading body poetry as well as pornographic verse and this is like one doesn't often hear

00:42:28.680 about i'm i'm sure lots of people of lots of genders have always enjoyed this sort of thing

00:42:32.780 but it's not often ever written about women enjoying this like she had a collection of like

00:42:37.760 pornography and she was just like you know what I'm horny and what do I want to read sex erotica

00:42:44.200 she's never not thinking about sex and that's just her way it's true sure like her house is covered 0.95

00:42:49.460 in paintings and prints of sexy stuff too like she's just yeah she's into it that's you do you

00:42:55.640 peg absolutely i love her and i i am so happy you brought her into all of our lives care

00:43:04.200 by watching this random television show

00:43:07.480 okay but then she's like at this point she's aging into her 50s which she's still peg but

00:43:15.920 she's like you know like a ballet dancer there's a shelf life on being a successful 0.95

00:43:21.340 courtesan known for your looks and so she decided to build a retirement house um she hired builders

00:43:28.800 to build this house in black rock yeah black rock that's fancy but it's a fancy area building

00:43:34.580 black rock would be expensive i'm shaking oh yeah yeah i don't know would you even get to build a

00:43:40.300 house in black rock now these days it's one of these really lovely seaside towns but yeah very 0.54

00:43:45.500 expensive to live yeah so she um in this new era of her life she re-embraced her lapsed catholic

00:43:51.160 religion did she write about this that in a she um tried to kill herself by drinking opium because

00:43:58.160 she felt so guilty over her life's path this is the thing yeah so as she puts it there's a day

00:44:02.860 where these two gentlemen come to see her but she had read in the papers that they had like refused

00:44:07.180 to pay a man for some election advertisements they had put out so she berates them for this

00:44:12.280 but ends up being so kind of wound up by the exchange that she starts to look at her own life 0.99

00:44:16.260 and kind of wonder, well, who am I to, you know, give shit to these men when I've done all these 0.96

00:44:20.340 terrible things and kind of puts herself into such a spin that she does end up in this kind 0.99

00:44:24.940 of state of delirium. And she says in a fit of delirium that she took four ounces of opium in

00:44:29.920 an effort to end her life. But it doesn't work. What it does do is it puts her in a stupor for

00:44:34.940 84 hours a very specific and odd time not 72 but 84 so just over three days um and so she wanted

00:44:46.600 to repent but she didn't know how to do that yeah she's kind of just flailing around I think because

00:44:50.920 she has turned to religion but she's kind of like but what do I actually do like what do I

00:44:54.740 other than pray like is there anything meaningful I can do to like to I guess yeah recant all this

00:45:00.340 stuff or repent and this is where she's really cool and feels to me very contemporary because

00:45:04.820 she's like catholicism is not doing it for me she wrote quote yeah all religions were like to me i

00:45:10.900 would also worship the god of nature in spirit and in truth no matter whether in a mosque a meeting

00:45:15.220 house chapel church synagogue bed or field so she was just like spiritual but not religious

00:45:21.600 she believed in charitable works rather than prayer yeah she kind of thought that was most

00:45:27.440 likely the way to to kind of make amends for the life she had led was to to try and do some kind of

00:45:32.920 something charitable and so she's just like okay you know i'm retiring from this life but she has

00:45:39.280 no savings um she went to blackrock but debts mounted and this is where she's like well i'm

00:45:44.880 going to blackmail my lovers and publish a multi-volume memoir which is a great idea yeah

00:45:50.540 honestly good for her well this is the thing because she has all these ious and like promise

00:45:54.320 oh it's such a good idea because she's been she literally has a stack of IOUs and promissory

00:45:58.940 notes from all these men over the years and of course now that she's retired and repented she's

00:46:03.220 like hey can I have my money and they're like no what are you gonna do about it because she's not

00:46:06.940 in a position anymore to really as far as they can tell she's not in a position to really do

00:46:11.240 anything or like tell anyone else in town that actually don't you know let this guy into your

00:46:15.340 house because he's not gonna fucking pay up and he hasn't paid me for the last 10 years whatever

00:46:18.680 so it's like it's it's so much money it's like a few thousand pounds I think at the time that 0.96

00:46:24.420 she's owed by all these different people and as far as she like again this is like the naive

00:46:28.340 optimism of her that she thought that they that they were going to pay up after all these years

00:46:32.060 and she has these notes and half of them weren't even signed like it was just it was a mess like

00:46:36.220 she just was never good with finances or saving or just that bit of thinking ahead in terms of

00:46:41.400 economics yeah yeah it's just too bad none of her long-term lovers were like an accountant

00:46:46.060 or something right always with the soldiers

00:46:50.720 so she publishes the first two volumes in 1795 and then like again a relatable queen she gets

00:47:01.460 the money from them and she's like great i'm not gonna spend that money yeah just want to buy a

00:47:06.220 new dress and some earrings oh wait it's gone oh so she again pawns most of her belongings

00:47:12.980 creditors caught up with her and she was arrested for her debts she wound up renting out her Black

00:47:18.520 Rock house to a tenant and at some point she acquired a spiritual advisor called Mr. O'Falvey

00:47:24.040 yeah the O'Falvey's I think were friends of hers from Kerry but yeah I think the Mrs. O'Falvey

00:47:30.020 before she got married to Mr. O'Falvey she actually lived in Peg's house with her she was

00:47:33.640 like this wife who had a terrible husband so she worked with Peg for a while to try and get some

00:47:37.160 money together and Peg like was a proper good friend to her and then she ended up in Kerry

00:47:41.380 married to Mr. O'Falvey so the O'Falvey's kind of no peg with quite some time um so yeah they

00:47:47.460 they continued to be good to her I believe yeah in the kind of years that followed just finding

00:47:52.120 her a cheaper place to rent and stuff yeah um yeah listeners things get grim so she started

00:47:59.820 work on her third volume of memoirs um she stayed in most of the time she became like again relatable

00:48:06.100 just sort of like a homebody like she had such a extroverted life of parties and being with people

00:48:12.060 and now she's just finding some joy in quiet and being at home um anyway she went out for a walk 0.98

00:48:19.860 one day came home and found out again one of her servants had stole all her stuff god damn it 0.94

00:48:25.860 it's such a disaster every time this happens like because it just they really leave her with nothing 0.95

00:48:31.600 like every time it's terrible okay and then another time she's out walking with her companion

00:48:36.840 at night they were overtaken by highwaymen who took all the money that they had on them yeah

00:48:41.840 like every time she managed to because like some some old friends do come through for her here and

00:48:45.100 there where she'll kind of scrape a bit of money together but then yeah something happens every

00:48:48.360 time that just messes it all up for her again and then i mean trigger warning for sexual assault um

00:48:56.240 she went to visit her friend mrs h who the writer of the body poem you might recall 0.57

00:49:01.540 the former mistress of Prinny in Drumcondra, when they were walking home at dusk. Ruffians

00:49:07.760 attacked Peg and her companion, not Mrs. H, but I think her just like friend or her servant who 0.86

00:49:13.640 was with her. Her, yeah, Margaret Collins was her friend at this point that she was just living

00:49:17.720 within the house. And they had walked to Drumcondra to see Mrs. H. So on the way home,

00:49:22.720 they were set upon by these fuckers. By these fuckers who assaulted them. And then Mrs. H 1.00

00:49:29.680 took them back and then they both started showing signs of a disease that they clearly had caught

00:49:33.940 from the attackers yeah so and as peg kind of even says it's like in all her professional career she

00:49:39.280 never had like venereal disease ever or syphilis nothing she was always good to go and now at this

00:49:44.780 point in her life she has contracted they reckon syphilis yeah so she's put on what people did

00:49:49.240 then which is a course of mercury treatments yikes which it was something like it's it helps

00:49:55.780 just it makes you sweat and then you sweat out that I don't know but that's what was given to

00:50:01.900 people I'm not I don't know what the logic is of it I don't know but it sounds rough because

00:50:05.760 she says that they were reduced to skeletons uh in the kind of three months or however long it

00:50:09.820 took to to run the course of treatments I want to say that Mary Queen of Scott's husband Darnley

00:50:14.520 when he was getting his mercury treatment for syphilis he was in like a mercury bathtub or

00:50:19.460 something oh wow okay it did something it might be like you know how chemotherapy can help kill

00:50:27.960 cancer cells but also like really affects your body in other ways it might be like

00:50:31.580 it's like mercury gets like the syphilis but also kills you exactly yeah it's your keyword

00:50:37.140 because you're dead so yeah i don't know that works which is not to say chemotherapy kills you

00:50:40.800 i'm just saying that like a thing that can get rid of a disease might seem like it's making

00:50:45.760 things worse yeah or just there'll be other side effects but it does seem like they kind of they do

00:50:50.740 kind of get over the disease but i think at this point her health is just in such a bad way

00:50:55.440 yeah but then she gets around a course of dr james's fever powder

00:51:00.880 which julie peekman theorizes is what actually killed her oh really okay yeah because she does

00:51:08.680 write that she has a fever and she's taking this powder and she reckons it has broken it but

00:51:12.480 yeah it did break the fever so again like dr dr james's fever powder which i don't i want to say

00:51:19.720 was cocaine i don't know probably yeah it broke her fever but i think she was just so broken down

00:51:25.020 from everything her health deteriorated in all kinds of different ways and peg plunkett the world

00:51:30.100 you know became a less fun place a less cool place she died march 22nd 1797 aged probably around 55

00:51:38.980 okay yeah see um yeah in my book it's like she was age 70 but it's like okay but what she

00:51:44.140 right because as you say were there men throwing themselves at her when she was 60 i mean maybe

00:51:48.320 we know she was hot was she still hot in her 60s she could well have been but yeah julie peakman

00:51:52.960 at the very beginning of the book she's like what year was she born let's investigate and just

00:51:56.780 looking at certain certain people who she met in certain places she was when certain things

00:52:00.960 were happening so i think it said when she died people were like oh wow she looks rough

00:52:06.700 i approximate her age is 75 therefore that is her age oh that makes sense but it could just be she

00:52:14.060 just looked old because of she did yeah because yeah and especially when she ended up in that

00:52:20.220 debtor's prison for a while like it really did a number on her her looks because she actually like

00:52:25.160 ran into a former lover who was also thrown into the debtor's prison um and he didn't recognize

00:52:29.940 her at first when he saw her it was only kind of when he was up close he was like oh my god peg it's

00:52:33.600 do. Um, so she definitely looked, I would say drastically different in those later years of

00:52:38.540 her life. Yeah. I think another way that Julie Peekman figured out the birth age was when she

00:52:43.940 started having children and went like when she was married and like when, where it's just like,

00:52:49.460 well, it's possible she had a child when she was 57, but it's more likely she was 37. Like that

00:52:55.800 sort of thing. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah. So, but you know what, she's ageless. What was her age?

00:53:01.060 i don't know who cares so after paying off her debts there's no money left for funeral but the 0.81

00:53:06.780 grocer uh paid for the funeral along with some of her friends that she still had at this point

00:53:12.420 in her life oh yeah oh this was the grocer that called in a debt that was the one that

00:53:16.400 landed her landed her into the prison so he's feeling bad there yeah so yeah he should

00:53:21.240 so her death was reported in the newspapers when she died because she had been such a famous person

00:53:28.780 for such a long time of course so one of the newspapers said mrs margaret leeson alias the

00:53:33.140 famous peg plunkett died in found found this street found street oh found street died in found

00:53:40.060 street dublin yesterday night this lady was one of the most celebrated courtesans in europe and

00:53:44.820 i think it went on to say and she got a pension from the government which she clearly did not

00:53:50.320 um but i think she told people she did and maybe she thought she did i think she thought she did

00:53:55.700 to be honest yeah just even the way she kind of writes about it in the book cuny briefly mentions

00:53:59.280 it but as far as she's concerned yeah she's got this pension just money was always there and she's 0.61

00:54:03.060 never thought about it that's like so many celebrities who it turns out that their

00:54:06.260 accountants have been stealing from them for decades and they're like oh i don't know yeah

00:54:09.820 the business the business managers yeah they've been fleeced and they're like wait how did this

00:54:13.740 happen so it is yeah it's i guess it's something that not everyone just has the kind of

00:54:18.100 skill set to stay on top of and then she was interred in saint james's churchyard and so you

00:54:25.960 wouldn't know this because this was in the book i read which is not around me or else i would get

00:54:29.940 the specifics about it but so the author julie peakman wanted to go and pay her tributes and

00:54:35.880 like to see the grave but then she went to the churchyard and where people from that era were

00:54:40.180 buried it's like locked away behind a gate so then she's like does anyone know where who can

00:54:45.140 open this gate and they're like oh i've you know seamus he's down at the pub so then she goes down

00:54:49.000 to the pub and she has a barman and she's like is seamus here and the bartender's like i'm seamus

00:54:54.080 and then and then he goes and like unlocks the gate for her and there's a guy suddenly appears

00:55:01.560 who's like i've been waiting to get into this graveyard for 25 years i've been i've been

00:55:05.760 petitioning to open something her and this guy both going to the graveyard

00:55:09.040 and he's like oh is this is this cool i don't know and then the guy who's there is like well

00:55:15.580 who are you looking for is catholic or protestant and she's like catholic and he's like well

00:55:19.260 catholics i forget what it is it's like they're on the side presses to this side but eventually

00:55:23.260 she wasn't able to find the grave ultimately because i think it's just wear and tear like

00:55:27.140 it's it's you know overgrowth and things i feel yeah i think i read somewhere that it was like

00:55:31.300 an unmarked grave even so there may not even have been money for a headstone or anything and i guess

00:55:36.560 yeah it was so long ago yeah and when yeah i don't know i guess with with grave graveyards like that

00:55:41.420 they're that old they get so overgrown and it's unmarked well right like it's just locked all the

00:55:46.060 time yeah and there's literally nothing to mark where it was so yeah i guess that's such a shame

00:55:50.940 though that there isn't somewhere i know that's what i wanted just i don't know and i i understand

00:55:55.600 julie peakman after doing this biography is like i want to see her grave like i want to see where

00:55:59.400 she's commemorated yeah and so i really liked it my first clue that this was going to be part of

00:56:03.560 that book was in her acknowledgements at the beginning she's like I want to thank Seamus

00:56:07.220 who unlocked the gate for me because I think she was ready to hop the fence she's like I want to

00:56:15.180 get in I need in let me in oh yeah but then she also told the guy the other guy who's there she's

00:56:20.660 like let's tell each other when we leave so we don't accidentally lock one of us in here oh good

00:56:26.940 sure yeah there's a story worthy of Peg Plunkett really so there's not there's a statue for that 0.87

00:56:32.000 balloon guy but peg plunkett nothing as far as i know nothing not a goddamn thing yeah she actually

00:56:38.460 calls him mr balloon as well in the memoirs which is very funny there's another guy who she's 0.58

00:56:42.700 involved with who she called like the chimney guy and he invents some sort of like new chimney flume

00:56:47.220 or something oh but she's so fun there was also kind of like her she had her own version of trip

00:56:56.120 advisor where like if she went somewhere and felt like her friends and her weren't being treated

00:56:59.920 properly, she'd write something on the window of the building with her diamond ring and she

00:57:05.180 called it her diamond pencil. So she was like, I left a missive with my diamond pencil. So there

00:57:09.180 was a place run by a man called Broadhead. And she wrote on his parlor window, she scratched in

00:57:14.840 not broadhead, but flathead. You surely should be as you're really a flat in the highest degree.

00:57:21.480 That's a lot to carve with a ring.

00:57:24.440 Isn't it? It's so much. But she did it with her little diamond pencil.

00:57:30.740 Iconic. 1.00

00:57:31.660 Oh, Peg Plunkett.

00:57:33.700 The time has come for us to score her on our four-point scale,

00:57:36.820 the Scandaliciousness scale.

00:57:38.860 I have high hopes for her. 0.57

00:57:42.260 I think she's going to score pretty high.

00:57:44.480 In some categories, we'll see.

00:57:45.600 Really?

00:57:45.900 Okay.

00:57:46.880 So the first category is, I think,

00:57:48.780 where she's going to score the top part.

00:57:50.640 So it's all scores from zero to 10. 1.00

00:57:52.880 So Scandaliciousness. 0.90

00:57:54.340 How scandalous is her story?

00:57:57.580 or what she's seen by people in her time like the people around her on a zero to ten oh i see yeah 1.00

00:58:04.640 in terms of i think she's probably more scandalous now than she was then because at the time 1.00

00:58:09.260 prostitution was just part of life in georgian dublin like it wasn't a taboo or anything it was 1.00

00:58:14.740 just yeah look at all these courtesans aren't they great um so if anything she's probably more 1.00

00:58:20.060 scandalous but i mean i also feel like she's she's got guys jumping in and out of windows like 1.00

00:58:24.700 she's always up to something she's just she is ripe for a scandal well and even just thinking

00:58:29.500 about her like as a young person like her family disowned her basically because they felt she was 0.99

00:58:35.540 scandals for but that was just for living in that house but i mean she ran she ran off to try and

00:58:40.200 get married when she's 15 like she it's it that is funny because she was scandals to some people 1.00

00:58:46.780 but then she and her her establishment was so ingrained with the upper echelons of society 1.00

00:58:53.560 Like the fact that that court case found for her 0.99

00:58:55.940 and not for the English actress,

00:58:57.100 like everyone respected her.

00:58:58.320 So she wasn't, so it's tricky

00:59:00.340 because she was scandalous in some ways,

00:59:02.020 but not in other ways.

00:59:03.460 But she wasn't like on the fringes for being scandalous.

00:59:05.680 It was like they loved her

00:59:06.540 because she was scandalous, I suppose.

00:59:08.140 Well, that's the thing.

00:59:08.920 So that doesn't mean she wasn't scandalous. 0.97

00:59:10.420 They're just like.

00:59:13.200 It's going to depend on your definition of scandal

00:59:15.120 and also the time that we're talking.

00:59:17.060 She's scandalous, but we don't mind.

00:59:19.840 Yeah, we like it. 1.00

00:59:20.720 That's what we like about her. 1.00

00:59:21.600 i think i think she gets a very high score here like on a zero to ten for scandalousness 0.99

00:59:26.600 even just the juiciness of her memoirs like the stories she shares bribing all the servants like

00:59:33.500 sneaking out with around with all these guys it's surely a high score i mean is it a nine is it a 10

00:59:38.660 i'm not sure what kind of scores people like her tend to to rack up on on the show but i mean

00:59:45.760 I'm gonna give her a nine I think just because of what you said like because she wasn't her family 0.94

00:59:53.700 disowned her but all of Dublin loved her she wasn't like run out of town for being scandalous

00:59:58.240 so I'm taking one point off for the fact that everyone was kind of cool with it that seems fair

01:00:02.060 yeah I think yeah she loses a point just because well everyone loved her which isn't really

01:00:06.980 scandalous in itself but but yeah but she was that's the thing yeah I think nine is fair

01:00:13.000 definitely high up the next category is scheminess coming up like a person with a plan always landing

01:00:18.920 on her feet like the resiliency i think would land in here like her scheme's not always good

01:00:23.220 true but she always had one well and just the scheminess of like the the jackson and lawless

01:00:29.380 era like just the thoughts of these guys just jumping in and out of a parlor window to come

01:00:33.640 bang her like while leeson's out in kildare is so funny it's so good she was she really came up 0.99

01:00:39.060 some good strategies during that era she did like if it came to getting some dick she had a plan 0.99

01:00:45.440 yeah and it was if it came to looking after herself and maybe saving some money she never 0.55

01:00:50.120 had a plan no so in certain areas she was superb at scheming and in others very much not so so

01:00:57.000 again it's a tricky thing but i think she was definitely more schemey than not yeah that might

01:01:01.380 be another nine maybe okay yeah yeah she just just always like the pivots she's like okay you know

01:01:07.260 i'm tired of this guy so i'm gonna switch to this guy like i'll try living in london nope tired of 1.00

01:01:11.480 that i'll move back here i'll open a brothel like she's always coming up with a scheme she does 0.94

01:01:17.840 always have something she does um uh the next category is significance oh and that can be

01:01:25.920 to history and i mean she wasn't like a politician who passed a great law or whatever but i think

01:01:31.980 she was very significant at the time like the fact not everybody's death is mentioned in the

01:01:37.500 newspaper well that's true yeah and i think yeah she's someone who at the time was obviously very

01:01:42.720 very famous but now people don't know who she is like she's just not someone you hear about really

01:01:48.980 and that's that's tricky and there are a number of people like that i've covered on the podcast

01:01:52.420 where they're um they were so incredibly famous and influential at the time and then as soon as

01:01:58.020 they died it's like they never existed but they were significant but they're not now but the

01:02:02.620 i don't know i don't know first woman in dublin to wear a bell hoop that is

01:02:08.140 in terms of fashion history she's up there that's true that's true the effect she had 0.99

01:02:13.420 on the economy of dublin like she kept those businesses going yeah she was keeping these

01:02:17.820 textile boys in business for sure the significance of making fun of prinny to his face um that's

01:02:25.580 very significant to me i love that i just love that so much about her it's it's tricky i'm i'm

01:02:33.660 gonna propose a five because she was so significant at the time she's such a crucial part of the

01:02:39.760 ecosystem but then she was forgotten so much that's why i'm like i'm balancing a zero with a

01:02:44.780 10 and that's where i landed five did we just go five yeah i think split the difference yeah

01:02:50.180 and then the final category is what i call the sexism bonus which is how much more could she

01:02:56.840 have accomplished were it not for sexism which is this is a category that people get high scores in

01:03:05.340 if it's like um she could have i don't know it's like a person she wanted to go to medical school 0.67

01:03:10.720 but she couldn't and so she had to stay home and watch children yeah so i think i mean if she

01:03:16.620 didn't have to have these men as her champions like if she had been able to get a job and have 1.00

01:03:23.180 her own money her life would have been very different but I would say the sexism didn't 0.99

01:03:27.400 really get in her way though no if anything I kind of feel like well you know if she wasn't 1.00

01:03:32.020 pregnant all the time what else could she achieve but it would just be having more sex with more 1.00

01:03:36.220 guys really to be honest like she was just there for a good time she was a party girl you know 1.00

01:03:40.460 yeah I don't think sexism really like other than like culturally the fact that like women can do

01:03:46.460 as much stuff like she didn't really that didn't really get in her way no it doesn't seem like it

01:03:52.400 stood in anything that in front of anything that she was particularly interested in and felt like

01:03:56.080 she was barred from yeah you know I think maybe I don't know hmm and there have been other people 0.99

01:04:02.980 similar to her like Lola Montez comes to mind she got a very low sexism score because she was just

01:04:07.580 like okay this is what the world is like okay here we go yeah I'll just I'll figure it out it's fine

01:04:14.520 don't worry about it so it might be something like I don't know like a two or a three or something

01:04:18.600 I was thinking three yeah yeah so let me see I will officially add this up on a calculator

01:04:25.060 I have long stopped trying to do this in my head because that's like oh god yeah like Peg Plunkett

01:04:31.640 mathematics oh absolutely not I just panic when someone says numbers to me

01:04:38.960 so her total score is a 26 out of 40 which i think lands her around the neighborhood like

01:04:46.200 lola monta's got a 23 for instance okay so she's okay she's in that neighborhood there's other

01:04:51.460 people i'm trying to see who i don't know i did an episode about someone called rochelle

01:04:56.160 who this really reminded her name is just rochelle one name only amazing oh like madonna or sure i

01:05:02.680 love it rochelle whose story is actually quite similar to this she was a actress in france 1.00

01:05:08.500 and she fucked oh everybody when she see that's the thing i think it's it's the girls who were 0.99

01:05:15.440 primarily interested in just having sex it's like that's all they want they're having a good time 0.99

01:05:20.780 and they found a way to do it the neighborhood she's in it was one of the things that rochelle

01:05:24.880 did um she was very pregnant at one point by one of her many lovers and she was on a train trip she

01:05:30.980 was like touring england i think and she met two men on the train who were cousins and that they

01:05:35.660 both became her lovers too like it's a really similar vibe yeah very similar i i'm putting their

01:05:44.300 names next to each other on my document because it's that's perfect rochelle and peg plunkett i

01:05:48.800 think would have been that's the girl gang right they would have been great friends they would

01:05:52.320 have been probably fighting over lovers but ultimately oh probably ultimately having a nice

01:05:56.980 definitely um karen can you please tell everybody where they can about your podcast you do and other

01:06:05.300 activities you do and where they can follow you on social media and things like that?

01:06:09.780 Sure. Yeah. So I co-host Double Love, which is the Sweet Valley High podcast. I co-host it with

01:06:15.040 Anna Carey and we just chat about a Sweet Valley High book episode by episode. So each episode

01:06:21.440 covers a particular book or actually at this stage, we're kind of doing half a book per episode

01:06:25.700 because we just end up getting so involved and the books get a bit more convoluted as the series

01:06:29.860 goes on too. So everything's a two-parter at the minute. So it kind of gives us more time as well

01:06:34.160 to really dig into all the madness that goes on in that series and you're into the hundreds

01:06:38.320 like i don't know we're into the hundreds yeah we're at book 100 i think we just finished book

01:06:43.240 114 so it's a massive back catalog at the minute um but yeah so we just chatted about sweet valley

01:06:50.680 high we have great fun doing it um we're kind of we're yeah we're all over social media pretty

01:06:55.420 much at this stage it's at svh podcast um on any of the social media sites um if you just search

01:07:00.940 double love either on any podcast app you'd find us there too um but yeah it's it's great fun like

01:07:07.260 we just it's such a mad series like it is I suppose for people who don't know it's about

01:07:11.940 these twins in California a fictional town in California called Sweet Valley identical twins

01:07:15.960 Jessica and Elizabeth Wakefield they're the most gorgeous girls in the world bit like Peg everyone

01:07:20.560 loves them all the time wherever they go boys are falling over themselves to get to know them

01:07:24.020 um whereas one is very studious and serious uh the other then Jessica is the wild party girl who is

01:07:30.240 also kind of a monster in certain books too um but their adventures just get more and more

01:07:34.960 ridiculous as the series goes on and we just have great fun with it there's been a werewolf series

01:07:39.680 there's been evil twins turning up to try and murder them there's car crashes there's amnesia 0.72

01:07:44.260 there's all your kind of classic soap opera bits and pieces kind of find their way in there

01:07:47.840 eventually um but yeah it's great fun and we are going to take this to the after show if people

01:07:53.000 want to hear more about sweet by high and that sort of thing but i will say that um you don't

01:07:58.540 have to have read the books to enjoy your podcast because it's just the two of you saying what

01:08:02.660 happens and sometimes I'm left in such suspense I'm like what is gonna happen next and I have to

01:08:07.820 like look up a book summary to be like I need to know I need answers I'm not gonna read the book

01:08:13.360 but I need to know just tell me and then your graphic design business yeah uh I'm a freelance

01:08:22.220 graphic designer um karen moynahan.com is my probably quite out of date website at this stage

01:08:27.640 but that's where it is where you can find me and contact me if you need to um yeah and yeah I just

01:08:33.620 do freelance design that's my main job my real life job is is graphic design yeah which I do

01:08:39.180 enjoy and I mean you've done such a brilliant job with uh various vulgar history commissions

01:08:46.580 my increasingly unhinged things I request of you I love those jobs though they're so great because

01:08:54.400 always have such a clear idea of what you want you're like okay I kind of want this sort of a

01:08:58.120 reference like with this title or this particular set of words and I'm like okay I know what you're

01:09:02.900 going for here this is great like you always have some kind of idea of what you want which is

01:09:06.520 perfect because at least I know what trying to reference I'm trying to hit here um but they're

01:09:10.900 always really fun jobs I really love doing them oh good well and that's where I appreciate you as

01:09:14.720 the graphic designer because the people who I work with for for the vulgar history merch they're all

01:09:19.280 people who I can be like do you know like you know my references another graphic designer may be

01:09:23.960 like what are you talking about but yeah okay well karen thank you so much i knew this would

01:09:30.780 be a lengthy episode um we had to get all the hits this is the thing you know and i'm used to

01:09:35.340 long episodes with with double love they get that's what i thought when i invited you um i'm

01:09:40.020 like they get quite long yeah you're used to it but yeah i mean we couldn't leave out any of the

01:09:44.160 anecdotes this is the thing she's just she's so funny and so much good fun stuff happens in her

01:09:49.180 story that you just you can't leave anything out and i feel like we probably did miss a few things

01:09:52.460 but like, she's just the best. I love her so much. She's amazing. Well, thank you so much

01:09:57.400 for joining me. And then listeners, um, if you want to hear more of me and Karen, then hop over

01:10:01.340 to Patreon where we're going to have an after show discussion that we're going to record next.

01:10:06.140 Anyway, thank you so much, Karen. Thank you for having me. This was great fun.

01:10:14.480 So I had said in the introduction to this episode that there was one more joke

01:10:19.200 on the Karen's design of the Peg Plunkett t-shirt

01:10:22.680 that I didn't want to say because I don't want to spoil.

01:10:25.340 But what it is, is it's a shout out to the way

01:10:27.580 that Peg Plunkett antagonized Prinny George,

01:10:31.120 the Prince of Wales,

01:10:32.140 aka the husband of Caroline of Brunswick.

01:10:34.740 So one more line on this beautiful Peg Plunkett design.

01:10:37.320 It does say official irritant of H.R.H. George,

01:10:40.580 Prince of Wales.

01:10:41.800 So that's on there too as well.

01:10:43.280 And again, you can pick up the Peg Plunkett design

01:10:46.120 as well as any of our other wonderful

01:10:48.260 vulgar history merch. Several of the designs were also designed by Karen Moynihan. You can get those

01:10:53.400 if you're in the U S go to vulgar history.com slash store. And if you're in anywhere other

01:10:59.020 than the U S go to vulgar history.redbubble.com. Um, and show your love for this, this iconic

01:11:07.360 Irish woman, you know, as long as there's not a statue of her, at least we can have people

01:11:12.000 walking around wearing her profile and name on t-shirts or pins or magnets or mugs or whatever

01:11:17.860 you want to get, frankly. And we scored Peg on the Scandaliciousness scale. And I need to check

01:11:25.720 in with you because we also have Nothing But Net, which is a special scale we're doing for season

01:11:30.440 seven to see how all these people, in the most unlikely of ways, connect back to Marie Antoinette,

01:11:36.160 who is the patron saint of this season. How do you solve a problem like Marie Antoinette?

01:11:40.860 So Peg, at first I thought it was going to be through Prinny, because Prinny, George the Prince

01:11:46.780 of Wales. He, his mother is Queen Charlotte from Queen Charlotte of Bridgerton story and Queen

01:11:53.580 Charlotte from Queen Charlotte of Bridgerton story was pen pals with Marie Antoinette. So I thought,

01:11:57.800 okay, well, you know, Peg saw him and that was his mom. And then the mom knew Marie Antoinette,

01:12:03.660 but there's an even closer connection because Peg's lover, Handsome Jack hung out at the court

01:12:09.160 of Marie Antoinette. So he knew Marie Antoinette directly. So from Peg to Handsome Jack, from

01:12:14.000 handsome Jack to Marie Antoinette is two degrees of separation between these two iconic 18th

01:12:19.040 century women. And I have just a few things that I like to say as we wrap up these episodes. I

01:12:27.500 don't know if you used to watch it. It depends on your age, but if you used to watch Mr. Rogers

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01:12:48.660 at the end, I think he did the reverse. I think he switched back in his outside cardigan and into

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01:12:56.920 every episode. And I think that's what this podcast has developed where it's like at the end

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01:13:52.400 So things like the after show that I recorded with Karen Moynihan, where we talk about

01:13:57.320 Irish history, and we talk about Sweet Valley High. And just as long as this three-part saga

01:14:02.780 was, there was more stuff that I wanted to talk to her about. And that's all in the after show.

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Vulgar History - July 17, 2024

Peg Plunkett, Ireland's Most Successful Whore, part three

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