Vulgar History - July 10, 2024


Peg Plunkett, Ireland's Most Successful Whore, part two

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00:00:26.520 Comedy Podcast. My name is Anne Foster and this is season seven. This season we're looking at
00:00:31.880 technically the overarching theme of this season is how do you solve a problem like Marie Antoinette?
00:00:37.780 We're going to be everybody who we talk to, we connect back to Marie Antoinette herself.
00:00:42.080 And because it was a really interesting period of time where so many people were interacting
00:00:47.580 with so many people from other countries or all these interactions happening, revolution
00:00:51.560 was breaking out constantly everywhere so this part one season seven part one it's mostly focused
00:00:58.340 on what was going on in america and people who had dealings with america and you might be like
00:01:04.060 but ann part one last week peg plunkett all took place in like rural ireland but yeah and we're
00:01:09.500 gonna see what that has to do with america in this week's episode so last week myself and extra
00:01:15.920 special guest co-host Karen Moynihan from Double Love, the Sweet Valley High podcast.
00:01:21.260 We were going through Peg's kind of origin story. And we left you with cliffhanger that's not
00:01:26.480 dissimilar to where we left after Sally Hemings part one, if you listened to that episode.
00:01:30.680 Like again, we've got a girl, she's 16, she's pregnant. She's had quite a harrowing period of
00:01:37.460 time. But as we reassured you last time, Peg, she has this ability to just to thrive, to keep going,
00:01:45.260 her resilience her I mean I have to say her tits out ishness it's spectacular and this week's 1.00
00:01:51.100 episode we see her starting to get a bit more schemey I guess she's already considered scandalous 1.00
00:01:55.900 at least by her like horrible family but um we see her kind of take a bit more control of her 1.00
00:02:01.460 own life this week and I don't want to I mean listen to part one to hear all about her like 1.00
00:02:06.420 tragic backstory but part two this is where Peg is just like she's tits out she's doing her thing 0.99
00:02:12.820 And Karen is here to explain all the Irish connections of everything.
00:02:17.660 I'm so excited for you to hear this.
00:02:19.400 So please enjoy part two of Peg Plunkett. 0.99
00:02:26.380 Anyway, so then she's sent out of the city to go have the baby and she's headed for Dragida? 0.98
00:02:31.780 Drahada. 0.95
00:02:32.940 Drahada.
00:02:34.460 Drahada.
00:02:35.120 Yeah.
00:02:35.700 Drahada.
00:02:36.580 Yeah.
00:02:37.100 No, we like to trick people with mad spellings.
00:02:40.560 Drahada.
00:02:41.520 Yeah.
00:02:41.860 And what's that like?
00:02:42.820 drahada drahada's cool yeah it's just north of dublin um it's so close by okay yeah yeah it's
00:02:49.420 not that far yeah so but unfortunately she went in this carriage and one of her relatives was in
00:02:54.900 the same carriage because it was sort of like a bus carriage yeah exactly yeah i think it was her
00:02:59.380 cousin was uh was on the coach but like i have to say that it's very irish that you're like somewhere
00:03:04.540 you're like god i hope i don't meet anyone i'm oh god there's four of my cousins like that that
00:03:08.820 feels very relatable I have to say yeah so then her cousin was like oh where are you going and
00:03:14.120 Peggy's like oh I'm doing business for my brother-in-law and the cousin was like well
00:03:18.260 come stay with me and she's like great oh no yeah of course because she's trying to hide a
00:03:24.040 massive baby bump at this point too and just don't be suspicious yeah she's really having to
00:03:28.740 think on her feet here well and then describe what she does okay yeah so they they do get as
00:03:34.240 far as drohada peg hops off the coach and is like i have to do some business stuff in this inn i'll
00:03:39.760 be with you in half an hour so the cousin goes off and she's like okay cool i'll see you then
00:03:42.780 um but peg runs into the inn she hires a man to take her to dunleer which is a town further out
00:03:48.060 i think it's like seven or so miles further north than drohada um and just bails out and tells the
00:03:54.240 guy in the end like look if anyone comes in asking about me you didn't see me you don't know where i
00:03:58.220 went i walked out the door and that's all you know um so she's trying to cover her tracks at this
00:04:02.100 point and just bails off to this other random town further up the coast um just to get away
00:04:06.720 from this cousin so yeah that's uh that's the plan and she does and she finds some people to
00:04:13.420 live with there like a farmer and his wife and she has her baby who is a daughter who is never
00:04:18.040 mentioned again in this whole story but presumably was alive i guess to a point yeah i i did keep
00:04:25.840 i was kind of waiting to hear about this baby again or this little girl and she just never
00:04:30.140 pops up again. So it's, yeah, probably not great. So she has, well, she has this little girl and
00:04:36.640 then she goes back to Devlin with the daughter and she just like lives with Mr. Dardis.
00:04:41.600 Yeah, he, yeah, they live together with their baby. So it's like ostensibly as this couple with
00:04:47.400 a baby, but he still won't marry her. But she's also feeling really stressed and ashamed about
00:04:51.740 the whole thing because like she's lost contact with her family. She ghosted her cousin and she
00:04:55.440 just feels really guilty about everything and wants to try and make it up with her sisters as
00:04:59.520 well right so then she goes to try to talk to her sister to explain what happened but the cousin had
00:05:03.720 written to the sisters being like here's what pegged it so they slam the door in her face yeah
00:05:07.620 oh man yeah no one will talk to her it's really awful they just they just don't have anything to
00:05:12.600 do with her because i guess the last they knew she was living in this house of ill repute and
00:05:16.460 then she ghosted this cousin which is really rude and i guess you know what's worse than being rude
00:05:21.060 so they just cut her off will not speak to her yeah so she and she's like i don't know 16 or
00:05:27.940 something like she's so young yeah yeah so she decides to leave dardis yeah and the biography
00:05:34.940 i read was like why did she do that he would have taken care of her and i'm like because she 0.99
00:05:38.980 deserved a better life yeah this guy sucked like he was never going to marry her he sucked and as 0.98
00:05:46.460 far as i know she left the baby with him because we never hear about that baby again yeah yeah this 0.99
00:05:50.900 is the thing that is the last you hear of that baby yeah and this is where if this was a sweet
00:05:54.840 valley saga the next chapter would be that baby's story aha and her exciting adventure is going to
00:06:02.640 america yeah that's exactly how that would play exactly and then she always surprises me at every
00:06:12.840 turn she writes to her father useless matthew and he says well you can come back home like 0.99
00:06:18.640 that's how desperate she is she's like i guess i'll go back to fucking christopher 0.97
00:06:22.080 yeah which like yeah she does but just he won't even let her into the house when she gets there 0.96
00:06:28.740 like he literally leaves her sitting outside the house in the cold and rain just doesn't give a
00:06:33.520 shit yeah yeah um he gave her a guinea um and booked a carriage to take her to kinnagad 0.52
00:06:39.360 what's that yes it's outside dublin so it'll be like on the way back definitely yeah okay um and 0.99
00:06:45.960 by now like she you know she came from a wealthy family and whatever but by now she was selling
00:06:50.480 off her clothing for money which clothing was very valuable at this time so it's not just like
00:06:55.060 well this t-shirt it's like no like clothing was rare and expensive yeah it's nice gowns that are
00:07:00.580 going to last for ages so yeah this is nice stuff I would say that she would have had but still like
00:07:04.960 that's the state she's in to try and this is how she's getting by okay and so then she's approached
00:07:10.940 on the street by some men who invite her to a tea house yes so I think at this point she comes up
00:07:17.860 with a plan that she's actually going to go back to Killa, but to live with some of the tenant
00:07:21.600 families that were always, that she always got along really well with from the farm. But when
00:07:25.760 she tries to like book a stage, a stage or some kind of coach to get back there, everything is
00:07:29.500 booked up. So it's not going to happen. And on the way to doing that, she's approached by these two
00:07:33.580 men who were like, Hey, come into this tea room with us. And she's like, uh, no, thank you. Runs
00:07:37.020 away, finds out that everything is booked up. So she's just in this state of despair, kind of
00:07:40.440 trudging back to whatever lodgings she's in at the minute, uh, sees the two guys again. And she's
00:07:45.240 like actually so they're like yeah yeah come up to you with us and she's like all right fuck it 0.89
00:07:49.220 let's go and so one of them was like and so I was like oh where's this going but what happened is 0.84
00:07:55.740 one of them was like if you would permit I will be your protector and you can I'll be like your
00:08:01.220 sugar daddy as as they would say and she's like okay then let's do it yeah this dude Thomas
00:08:08.320 Caulfield I think he's a wine merchant he fancies her like crazy because he asks her all these
00:08:12.660 questions and she just answers everything honestly because at this point she says I had already
00:08:16.400 suffered by falsehoods so she's like I may as well just be honest with these guys so he's like oh
00:08:21.080 okay well you know if all that's true then I'll mind you I'll be your protector so it's like okay
00:08:25.560 this could go really well now actually yeah yeah he was well connected to an earl had his own money
00:08:30.340 from his wine business and so she's like great so then she has a son with him because listeners
00:08:35.140 this is like her mother oh this is the thing look and to be honest every nine months she has a baby
00:08:42.040 for the rest of her life it's just gonna happen so just get used to that
00:08:45.080 which is interesting because i've read i mean i i don't think i've ever done an episode about like
00:08:53.500 a literal sex worker which she is not yet but other people who've lived like exotic exciting
00:08:59.060 lives like they're not having a baby every nine months not knocked up constantly yeah i know and
00:09:05.300 i like and his birth control at this time i guess he just either doesn't know about it or
00:09:10.360 doesn't want to I don't know what the deal is there exactly yeah like at least at the beginning 0.91
00:09:15.320 perhaps you could think the same way she didn't have skills to be a domestic servant maybe she 0.99
00:09:19.540 wouldn't have heard about birth control because she was raised in a sort of like rich family 0.97
00:09:22.960 but eventually the people she's hanging that woman at the boarding house could have could
00:09:27.080 have told her some stuff yeah it gets to a point where a lot of people in her life would have known
00:09:31.320 a lot about this and could have clued her in so you do feel like there was certainly a point where
00:09:35.720 she would have known what to do but she's just having those babies yeah that's just what she's
00:09:41.820 doing um so anyway so this guy was miss thomas caulfield um but he couldn't marry her because
00:09:47.500 he was rich and she was not but he was like in fact he married another woman but he was like 0.54
00:09:52.020 well i'll keep giving you an allowance as long as you keep living as per my christian gay from 0.83
00:09:58.300 50 shades of gray rules yeah exactly so like living with propriety yeah don't have friends 0.93
00:10:07.560 don't have friends don't talk to any men ever stay in the house all the time as she does for
00:10:13.580 her whole life and to her credit ignored him and just yeah yeah she's like no man my friends are
00:10:18.000 super fun i'm not doing that yeah she has the point yeah like a found family like she says
00:10:23.240 these cool friends yeah exactly yeah so she's not giving them up so he does end up cutting off her
00:10:28.140 allowance but because she's had this kid he does still provide for the son so she's she's okay for
00:10:32.940 a while but then the son dies of an illness at quite a young age so now peg is broke again and
00:10:38.200 she's by now like in her early 20s because remember she spent a year with him or something
00:10:43.160 anyway so she's she's now a young adult um and she finds a new patron who is mr leeson yes which is
00:10:52.560 funny to me because i kept thinking liam neeson nope mr leeson which is like liam neeson if you
00:11:00.260 made that one name yeah leeson it would be leeson because he's irish right yeah yeah yeah so mr
00:11:08.900 mr leeson liam um who is you can just picture him as liam neeson actually might as well although
00:11:17.700 he is a wealthy english gentleman and this is like the book that you read like it's mrs leeson
00:11:22.540 right like she she uses this surname from this point i think yeah she kind of professionally
00:11:27.000 goes by margaret leeson not that she married him but no so he also was like here's my list of rules
00:11:33.380 for you like give up your friends stay inside all the time it's like they're all mad for her
00:11:40.760 like she must have been so charismatic and beautiful she really must have been yeah yeah
00:11:44.980 the way that everyone fell for her but then immediately i just watched the movie showgirls
00:11:48.920 which I don't know if you've watched that recently.
00:11:52.740 Not recently.
00:11:53.580 I have seen it before and had a great time watching it,
00:11:56.120 but it's been a while.
00:11:56.880 It's so good.
00:11:57.800 But what happens in that movie
00:11:58.940 that really struck me upon this viewing
00:12:00.260 was Nomi Malone, Irish name.
00:12:03.020 She comes to Las Vegas 0.96
00:12:04.100 and every single person who meets her 1.00
00:12:06.180 is just like, let me help you or fuck you. 1.00
00:12:08.960 Like everybody. 1.00
00:12:10.440 Like she's got this chaotic energy
00:12:11.980 and everyone's just like, yes.
00:12:13.320 Like everyone she meets,
00:12:14.820 she becomes the center of the world.
00:12:16.200 And Peg Plunkett is that to everyone she meets.
00:12:18.920 that's so true yes she like everyone's crazy about her everyone fancies her everyone wants 1.00
00:12:23.360 to fuck peg like she's just yeah the coolest the funniest and she is funny that's the thing like
00:12:28.560 her writing is really funny and witty um and very very readable so i do get it like she is 0.98
00:12:34.740 she's obviously a great time to hang out with yeah and yeah two men in a row are like okay
00:12:39.420 great i love you and i want to be around you all the time but also i want to keep you in a room
00:12:43.340 like a little doll yeah don't talk to anyone you're mine alone and that's it which is no kind 0.58
00:12:49.620 of life okay she was like yeah sure okay but did not change her behavior at all no she also had
00:12:54.960 these two pals jackson and lawless at the time who were great fun to hang around do you mean buck
00:12:59.680 lawless oh god yeah who not to spoil what he's gonna end up doing but the name buck lawless
00:13:09.060 is iconic it's kind of great isn't it and Buck is kind of a it's more of a nickname I think at the
00:13:16.620 time where like a lot of young men about town would have been known as like Buck English Buck
00:13:20.740 Lawless Buck it was just kind of a like young lawless that kind of thing okay I was that I was
00:13:25.740 gonna ask you that because there's someone else later in the book who's also called Buck and I
00:13:29.560 thought was that just was that like the Ewan of the time like was everyone just called Buck
00:13:34.180 nobody was ever actually called Buck so it was just it was kind of a nickname because yeah Buck
00:13:38.960 Whaley um was another Buck and it is just like a term for kind of young men about town with a bit
00:13:45.680 of money to them were the Bucks in town yeah so the thing with the name Buck Lawless and I was
00:13:51.480 telling um friend of the podcast Alison Epstein who is as into Australian bush rangers as I am 0.76
00:13:57.920 because the Australian bush rangers a lot of them were Irish criminals sent to Australia
00:14:01.900 okay yeah of course and they all had cool names like captain moonlight and things like that nice
00:14:08.380 and i was like elson i'm reading a story and someone in it is called buck lawless and he's
00:14:12.960 not an australian bushranger and allison was like wait a minute so like so it's kind of like the
00:14:21.300 culture of ireland like i love the bushranger whole vibe but it's like oh i think that's just
00:14:27.880 the Irish people went there and the culture unchanged. 0.93
00:14:34.060 Just wholly imported. 0.97
00:14:35.720 Yeah, exactly. 1.00
00:14:36.640 That's what she was like.
00:14:37.340 And I was like, you are right.
00:14:38.440 Cause I was like, his name is Buck Lawless.
00:14:40.220 That's not his pseudonym.
00:14:41.940 His name is Buck Lawless.
00:14:44.800 Now he is a wrong one.
00:14:47.740 Yes, very much so.
00:14:48.740 At this point, he's just like her fun friend.
00:14:50.680 Who's kind of jumping in through the window
00:14:52.620 while Leeson thinks she's being very well behaved.
00:14:55.080 No, this is great.
00:14:56.040 This is great.
00:14:56.300 yeah because leeson is like don't see anyone and she's like great and then she sees two
00:15:00.740 lovers who come visit her all the time and the two guys are friends as well like it's so funny
00:15:05.460 i think she met one of them first and he's like you've got to meet my friend you're going to love
00:15:08.620 him and it's like these two guys jackson and lawless and you're like a double act at this
00:15:11.700 point where they're both banging peg and they're both friends so it's a fun throuple
00:15:15.900 there and that's the thing like the polyamory of this like peg is just like i'm up for anything
00:15:21.680 um so he's leeson is like let's get peg out of dublin
00:15:27.060 to his country home in kildare is that another like nice place that's near dublin county county
00:15:35.800 kildare is like right outside dublin it's kind of a big commuter belt now at the minute where a lot
00:15:39.620 of people that work in dublin would live in kildare because it's not that far to to get
00:15:42.860 into the city yeah kildare is nice as well yeah it's where saint bridget's from oh nice oh saint
00:15:47.220 bridget from the movie irish wish the one and only everyone needs to subscribe to karen's
00:15:54.660 sub stack because you wrote such a great review of that film thank you okay so they went to
00:16:01.580 kildare which is basically not even like leaving dublin at all from what you just said like if
00:16:06.160 you're like i don't want you to see your lovers you can get to her very easily yeah it wouldn't
00:16:10.600 be that difficult anyway so he was called back to dublin and then jackson and lawless came up
00:16:14.500 to Kildare, I think, with an assist from Leeson's manservant who just like kept like, that's the
00:16:20.260 other thing. Like Peg was able to get away with this because she got all the servants on her side
00:16:24.520 to help her. Yeah, this is the thing. She's got that charisma. She knows what like the domestics
00:16:30.740 in a house. She's like, you win them over by being nice to them and giving them stuff like 1.00
00:16:34.520 that's all you need to do. And then they're all like, we fucking love Peg. We will help you with 0.96
00:16:37.740 all your shenanigans. She does. Like she's got very good instincts. Like at the five hours from
00:16:43.240 know when we get to scoring her her scheminess i think is quite high yeah here's a quote from peg 1.00
00:16:50.000 um chastity i willingly acknowledge is one of the characteristic virtues of the female sex 0.53
00:16:55.240 but may i be allowed to ask is it the only one 0.97
00:16:58.380 she's so great you know what as we go through this episode if we come up with a merch idea like
00:17:03.960 i will hire you you better if it's about peg yeah no so just keep your eyes out for like what would
00:17:10.920 be a good t-shirt here and we'll listeners when you hear this perhaps it'll be in the store
00:17:15.700 there you go yeah okay so basically it's just like like she's in dublin he's in kildare or vice
00:17:21.860 versa um oh no so this is where she stays in dublin in lodgings but the lodgings are owned
00:17:27.640 by one of her friends who she also bribed to keep her activities hidden from leasing yes
00:17:32.200 yes yes yes oh that's it because yeah there's a bit of back and forth between kildare and dublin
00:17:36.540 so he's got he kind of wants her secluded in kildare she's like yeah okay cool you better
00:17:40.340 be a really nice house and it is so she's fine then he has to go back to dublin doesn't want
00:17:44.160 to leave her there so he then brings her back to dublin puts her in like ranelagh which is like a
00:17:47.780 really nice suburb um and so she's not quite in the city so she's a little bit removed from like
00:17:53.600 all the temptation as far as he can see it anyway but guess what jackson and lawless they're movable
00:17:58.120 they are willing to travel so yeah she is living it up in this house so he's he's out in kildare
00:18:05.480 now i think working on the big house or there's some kind of work or renovations going on on the
00:18:09.940 the big mansion out there so she's in Ranala getting regular visits from Lawless and Jackson
00:18:14.560 um she's so brazen that she actually just heads over to Lawless's house for like a few
00:18:18.760 a few nights in a row because she knows he's in Kildare and it's fine and the servants are kind
00:18:23.500 of keeping watch for her to make sure he's not going to turn up randomly so she's just having
00:18:27.800 the best time. I have some more quotes from Peg that just happened to come up in the biography
00:18:30.720 at this point but I think they speak to her point of view so one of them is polygamy was not wrong
00:18:35.960 in its own nature but merely as it was a great difference between what was evil in itself and
00:18:40.320 what was evil by human prohibition so she's just saying like we're all just animals like like 0.95
00:18:46.500 let's just get to fucking like these are just human everyone chill just chill out and take 0.98
00:18:52.320 your pants off come on let's do this okay now karen i want to say as somebody who was recently 0.99
00:18:56.480 married and congratulations um but here's what peg says about marriage i looked upon marriage
00:19:02.340 merely as a human institution calculated chiefly to fix the legitimization of children and obliged
00:19:07.800 parents to bring them up and provide for them to ascertain the descent of property and also to bind
00:19:12.240 two persons together even after they might be disgusted with and heartily tired of one another
00:19:16.900 yeah it's what i did read that like literally a few days after having got married and i was like
00:19:20.700 damn peg ouch but i think peg is like for me this is how i feel but i think she's like to each their
00:19:28.720 own like she's she's not judgmental this is the thing she really isn't judgmental at all like 0.98
00:19:33.380 she's a very chill person and there is there is a great bit about this house i think as well where
00:19:38.620 what's his face leeson so he's out in kildare he says he's going to be out there for like another 0.71
00:19:42.760 month so she's like okay cool i have loads more time to fuck around basically but um one of the 0.92
00:19:48.140 times that she's out at lawless's house he actually does turn up unexpectedly knocks on the door of 0.54
00:19:53.460 the house at like five or six o'clock in the morning so the people who are in charge and
00:19:57.000 running this house know that it's him because peg has described him to them but they've never
00:20:00.460 actually met him face to face before so they don't let him in because they know she's not there and 0.85
00:20:04.200 she's going to get in shit for this so they're like what are you doing here don't disturb her
00:20:07.420 family it's such an early hour so they send him off he's furious goes to his friend who had set 0.99
00:20:11.960 her up in this house who was also peg's friend and is like i can't believe you tricked me where
00:20:15.680 is she you're all lying to me and the friend is like no no she's there they just didn't let you
00:20:20.080 in because they never met you before so really they're just following your instructions so like
00:20:23.680 they're doing you a favor here he's like look i'll get dressed i'll go over with you i'll show
00:20:26.860 she's there. So he takes a bit of time to get dressed, sends a note to Peg in the meantime to
00:20:31.060 say, get back to the house now, we're going to be calling. So by the time they do get back to the
00:20:35.880 house, knock on the door and are let in. Peg is like sitting down, wearing like her little morning
00:20:39.840 cap, reading a book, just like butter wouldn't melt. Like, oh, hi guys. I've been here the whole
00:20:44.080 time. A legend. She's a legend. Just, she's amazing. She's so fast. But then I also appreciated
00:20:50.360 the detail of how she was caught out because, so Leeson hired someone to follow her. And what
00:20:56.160 this guy saw was Jackson and Lawless
00:20:58.280 coming into her house accompanied
00:21:00.040 by a band of musicians
00:21:01.860 mm-hmm
00:21:03.240 yeah
00:21:06.280 you can hear the concert and the entertainment
00:21:08.260 and all of this happening from outside the house
00:21:10.160 and it's like he sees them all go in
00:21:11.480 does not see any of them depart
00:21:13.520 so yeah bad news for Peg 0.83
00:21:17.640 just the audacity of like she knows 1.00
00:21:20.280 that she's not supposed to be doing this
00:21:21.780 she knows that he's probably following her
00:21:23.360 and she's just like could you just have an entire band
00:21:25.800 come in just you know it's not suspicious it's fine yeah so he at this point cuts ties with peg
00:21:34.320 so she turns to buck lawless she chooses him over what was he had the jackson you're giving away
00:21:42.020 what buck lawless is gonna be like karen sorry i'm sure he's great buck lawless what a great
00:21:48.860 person you can tell by his name come on i was gonna say with that name so she turned to buck
00:21:54.700 Wallace. And she spent the next few years in what her biographer called the happiest and most stable
00:22:01.320 period of her life. I would disagree. Same. Yeah, I do not agree with that. Yeah, I think at this
00:22:07.840 point, he's actually in a position to take some kind of care of her because his older brother
00:22:11.900 has recently died. So he's got a bit of an inheritance going on, a bit of property. So
00:22:15.720 he's just he's in a better position now than he ever would have been before. So he's like,
00:22:18.880 all right, cool. You come with me. So she's like, yes, nice one, because he was always her favorite
00:22:22.260 anyway yeah so over the next five years they she had five children with him because that for that 0.99
00:22:28.300 is her way that is certainly her way damn it beg and i will say that her being pregnant did not get 1.00
00:22:34.200 in the way of her fucking throughout her life so not no it's not like a nine month break no it's 0.99
00:22:41.100 no oh no no no no no she does not take breaks she will just she's like this is great i can't 0.99
00:22:45.920 get pregnant again because i'm already pregnant yeah exactly it's already happened so let's go 0.98
00:22:51.020 so i mean as we have directly stated several times buck lawless sucks um yes he does um 0.97
00:23:00.740 not to a christopher extent but like no who could he's not a good guy though yeah it's a real toxic 0.87
00:23:09.120 on-off situation her biographer says very relationship became tempestuous
00:23:14.240 yeah tempestuous covers a lot doesn't it's like do they have the occasional row
00:23:18.840 does he beat the shit out of her what kind of scale are we talking about here exactly
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00:26:32.120 show podcast yeah it's it's all like every man who's ever been with her um he was jealous all
00:26:43.640 the time he was jealous when she was with other men but then she was jealous of him because he
00:26:47.840 would go drinking and carousing yeah now she says in her memoirs that she was completely faithful
00:26:53.200 to him but julie may have other sources that suggest otherwise there but like as far as peg
00:26:58.760 is concerned with the way she writes it she's like he was so jealous of me and I never had any
00:27:02.400 interest in anybody else while I was with him she was like and there's someone like me but this is
00:27:06.220 all I wanted yeah yeah so and I think that's I think that's correct like from what I know as well
00:27:10.980 was he so the way I don't know everyone is always jealous about her but in this case the guys had
00:27:16.340 no reason to be jealous I think it's just like they just want to they love Peg and they want to
00:27:19.900 just keep her away from everybody yeah and now for a quick advertising break and we're back
00:27:26.880 there was a guy a former suitor called captain benjamin matthews re-ended her life and i was
00:27:32.780 like go with him peg oh i know lovely captain yeah he's like please come away with me like i'll
00:27:38.720 mind you it'll be great i'll look after you so well and she's just so smitten with lawless she
00:27:43.040 just will not even consider it it's not yeah she was just addicted to this toxic relationship with 0.93
00:27:48.760 lawless good dick is a person is that the merch no so far we might come up with a better phrase
00:27:58.020 but that's a good one yeah i don't think i can actually claim that one i'm pretty sure i heard
00:28:01.880 it somewhere else but it just applies very much so to peg in this situation very much so but just
00:28:07.040 connecting this with like the revolutionary era captain benjamin matthews had been sent
00:28:11.500 to america to fight the french in the seven years war so that's where we are we're not even at the
00:28:16.900 american revolution era yet we'll get there but there's just kind of constantly wars happening
00:28:21.860 in america and those soldiers all pass through dublin yeah they're all there anyway so like
00:28:26.260 with a few extra soldiers so yeah dublin is constantly just full of soldiers like peg heaven
00:28:30.860 pegs hunky soldiers everywhere
00:28:35.380 as far as the eye can see so um this is like again you know trigger warning 0.88
00:28:44.360 um so she uh abuse child loss um so she and lawless have a fight he tied her to the bed
00:28:53.800 and beat her up and she lost the child she's carrying also he was running out of money and
00:28:59.960 they had to pawn their clothing and furniture and then one after another their five children
00:29:04.700 all died of various diseases yeah it's grim and she's i don't know you know 22 or something
00:29:11.280 surely yeah like she's still quite young so this is uh like you know that paragraph carries a lot
00:29:19.340 of weight in terms of the trump but she stayed with him you know like he beat her to the point
00:29:25.280 that she like miscarried this child this like wanted child and she's like but you're still my
00:29:30.460 guy so oh my god peg seriously please get out of there oh buck wallace oh so um they tried to i
00:29:41.580 found this like baffling but also sweet so they tried to repair the relationship by going on a
00:29:48.240 weekend getaway oh they head to the races isn't it until there yeah they go to watch the horse
00:29:55.220 races let's just put a little getaway um and this is where we first meet one of pegs and this is 0.52
00:30:01.040 another thing that reminds me of sweet valley high because she has lots of close female friends but
00:30:05.760 they're also rivals big they're frenemies all of them yeah they're frenemies and so this is a 0.96
00:30:12.180 courtesan named katherine kitty netterville oh kitty she has a great nickname she's known as
00:30:17.580 kitty cutterdash which is like the coolest name that is a great name and this yeah yeah so kitty
00:30:24.440 recurs in this story anyway so kitty had like a wealthy guy who is her protector so they're kind
00:30:29.460 of like a double date to the horse races yeah um but eventually buck lawless being the worst he
00:30:35.860 just like wanders off and then she finds him in a brothel with another woman who was one of peg's
00:30:42.760 friends yes yeah this is the thing like they're all everyone knows each other like dublin i guess
00:30:47.780 as big a city as it is whatever kind of circle she's running in everyone knows everyone and
00:30:52.300 everyone ends up fucking everyone so when she finds him with this friend of her it's like oh 0.98
00:30:55.580 for fuck's sake are you serious so then she does a thing that she does at least one other time in 0.99
00:31:00.920 the story which is she was mad at the woman um which is you know the the internalized misogyny 0.99
00:31:07.740 so she wrote to that woman's male protector to fuck up that relationship to be like did you know 1.00
00:31:13.260 she was fucking buck lawless in a brothel and killed her 0.99
00:31:16.840 which also feels like jessica wakefield would do that very yes also just for the record but 0.99
00:31:26.900 just assume throughout the story peg is pregnant you can pretty much assume that so she's pregnant
00:31:31.500 she just walked in on him like he ruining your couple's weekend and then lawless just like
00:31:36.280 pieces out to america yeah so his dad i think at this point has had enough of all of this he's not
00:31:41.840 giving him any more money um he said look i will set you up with a job in new york but you're only
00:31:46.820 getting paid when you turn up in new york city like i'm not giving you any money here in ireland
00:31:51.800 so he's kind of like okay yeah i'm gonna go so he just bails off and leaves her a letter yeah it's
00:31:57.480 just like that episode of sex in the city with burger where he leaves the post-it being like i
00:32:01.840 can't i'm sorry basically that yeah yeah it's the georgian equivalent of a post-it like i'm gone to
00:32:09.180 america bye sorry yeah like she woke up but he his son of the bed was empty and he was just gone 0.97
00:32:13.600 yeah this fucker which i mean i was grateful just because otherwise she never would have 0.99
00:32:20.240 ended this relationship this is the thing she actually wouldn't it was going to take something 0.99
00:32:23.540 really drastic from one of them for her to get out of this situation and the fact that he literally
00:32:28.780 went to a different continent was what it took to break up this thing yeah thank god and then
00:32:33.560 she had another child this was a girl does the book say the names of any of her children
00:32:38.080 no none of them are named yeah just these various babies who then die i know it's really sad so i
00:32:46.460 mean and that's in the backdrop of all her decision making in her life but she's just
00:32:50.020 been going from male protector to male protector basically that's what she's figured out pretty
00:32:54.580 much she can do yeah this is this is her kind of this is how she's managing to get through
00:32:58.900 everything so this um so she's now in her early 30s um and she's given birth for the eighth time
00:33:05.200 i feel like her mother had done more by then but um so yeah i mean is this one of the times where
00:33:15.980 she's just sort of like really depressed for a while like it was when beck lawless left her
00:33:20.180 she had a real yeah she's really sad she's she's got no like there's all these men are still
00:33:25.020 clamoring around her because she's still peg she's still great and gorgeous and everyone fancies her
00:33:29.620 all the time but she just has no interest she's just still in love with lawless she's heartbroken
00:33:34.780 she's like get away from me I don't want to know about it literally unless he's dead she's not
00:33:39.480 going to move on is basically how she feels at the moment um and because she's been away from
00:33:44.040 society for so long and like kept in this series of houses by these men they're all like oh who's
00:33:48.600 this new hottie in town and it's like oh it's pretty big so everyone's clamoring for her basically
00:33:53.780 but I think eventually she discovers that Lawless has written to his father and to his uncle but 0.97
00:33:59.320 not to her so she's like oh what the fuck is this so she's completely betrayed uh and really really 0.70
00:34:04.340 angry with him so she's like all right fine it's time for me to move on clearly so she takes up at 0.98
00:34:08.780 this point i think with this clergyman called mr lambert yeah yeah the reverend thomas lambert
00:34:14.320 um would it surprise you to know she got pregnant
00:34:16.860 it would not 1.00
00:34:20.560 it would surprise me if she was not pregnant
00:34:25.120 she decided you know what that's enough baby yeah um and i think he was an okay person it was 0.52
00:34:32.660 it okay rebound he seems fine he really liked her yeah but the thing is like it doesn't take her too
00:34:38.580 long to go back to her old ways of of being too horny for her own good so this while she's with
00:34:43.420 lambert she also starts seeing this guy mr cashel who has no money but she's infatuated with him 0.98
00:34:48.640 because again she seems to really fall for the guys that have no fucking money and it's like 0.98
00:34:51.640 damn it peg you need to align these things somehow well and this is one of the times where she was 0.99
00:34:56.200 very pregnant by lambert and mr cashel was like that doesn't bother me in the slightest and she's 0.99
00:35:01.400 like me neither so great let's keep banging but this is at the point where she did when she became 1.00
00:35:08.340 too pregnant so probably the day before she gave birth to fuck around she was like kitty 1.00
00:35:13.120 can you take this guy off my hands for a while yeah she passes off lambert to kitty netterville 1.00
00:35:18.100 but in her mind she's like this is just temporary until i have this baby and then i think she's 1.00
00:35:22.520 possibly still fucking cashel on the side at this point and she's like i only want to fuck one guy 1.00
00:35:25.980 instead of two while i'm this super pregnant so uh yeah so let's let's just get you out of the 1.00
00:35:30.640 picture for a bit but then of course kitty's like yeah absolutely nice one thanks for this great
00:35:34.620 dude who's going to buy me lots of expensive stuff which he does like he's running up credit in all
00:35:38.880 the dublin shops to buy things for kitty and of course as soon as peg has set this up she's like 0.97
00:35:42.980 oh damn it i shouldn't have done that look at all this good shit that kitty's getting that could 0.98
00:35:46.120 have been my nice stuff um so she's already kind of jealous uh of this whole situation that she 0.99
00:35:51.480 has engineered um totally regrets all of this and in the meantime kitty has told lambert that peg 0.99
00:35:57.340 was fucking around with Cashel on the side and ditched him to be with Cashel instead. And all 0.73
00:36:02.980 this is only temporary. So now this has put Lambert off her forever. There's no way he's
00:36:06.840 going to go back to her. So Kitty has really kind of fucked her over on this one. But then Peg tells 1.00
00:36:11.600 Kitty's protector that Kitty's with Lambert. Yep. That's it. Mr. Kilpatrick, I think, is the guy
00:36:18.120 that is actually like the main guy for Kitty. So now that he knows this about Lambert and this
00:36:24.260 thing when peg tells him she's like make sure kitty knows this has come from me it's all very
00:36:28.400 tell cersei i want her to know it was me like she is claiming all of this she's like you better let
00:36:32.860 her know that this is me um so it's just an all-out war now between kitty and peg because
00:36:37.320 they've both lost whatever kind of male protectors they had so now they're just like at each other's 0.99
00:36:41.600 i love this next part which is kitty hires a gang of ruffians so whenever peg goes to the theater
00:36:48.300 the ruffians would be in the upper gallery shouting abuse at peg yeah apparently the audience 1.00
00:36:53.400 join in so frequently that Kitty gets to the point where she doesn't even have to pay people
00:36:56.740 anymore they just do it now because the plan worked so perfectly this part is great like
00:37:03.260 everything is great but this is what I mean listeners like like this story is great this
00:37:08.420 shenanigans like this is the thing when you see all the kind of like bare facts laid out one by
00:37:11.720 one and you know all the children dying and everything it seems really depressing but the 0.83
00:37:15.640 thing is she's just so sparky and fun and silly that like there's so much good stuff in there too
00:37:21.280 i feel like her personality just rises above all the tragedy to just be like she is fun and she's
00:37:26.520 having fun fights with people she she does the fights are all very fun the ones that she the
00:37:30.900 inter the inter courtesan absolutely it's so bitchy like again that's where i feel like 0.97
00:37:37.320 sweet valley hi a little bit yes okay so then peg is just like fuck all this i'm just gonna run my 1.00
00:37:46.060 on brothel now. Like I'm tired of getting male protectors as my only way of protection. Like 1.00
00:37:51.260 I'm going to become a business woman. Yes. Good for her. Yes. She takes the house in Drogheda
00:37:56.460 Street, which is pretty much now where O'Connell Street is, which is like one of the big main
00:38:00.000 streets in Dublin city. So it's her and her pal Sally Hayes. And as Peg says in this house,
00:38:05.160 they cared for nobody and wanted for nothing. So they are living it up in this brothel. 0.59
00:38:09.740 They're having a hard time. And her and Sally Hayes, this is like,
00:38:11.520 it's not really a frenemy situation like sally haste is a proper pal like they
00:38:15.740 she's properly her friend yeah for years and i love that the two women just like decided to do
00:38:21.340 this together and they and it does because peg is this reputation everyone knows peg everyone
00:38:26.440 loves peg and she's like well let's monetize that yeah this is the thing i did like this
00:38:31.020 detail that they at least initially they employed the jewish musician isaac isaacson to follow them
00:38:36.520 wherever they went playing on his dulcimer i love her she's got her own soundtrack and everything
00:38:42.240 she's iconic i mean who else um as a topic of your podcast has had their own soundtrack as
00:38:52.200 they've walked around i mean come on that's great no one yet well and that also explains the time
00:38:57.540 when she had jackson and lawless bring the band to to come she's like i need music constantly
00:39:03.440 this is it she loves the soundtrack she just has to be yeah played in and out of rooms that's great
00:39:08.540 it's fabulous but then what happens if you're curious about listeners Isaac Isaacson became
00:39:12.580 really popular and eventually they couldn't afford him anymore and it's probably because of her that
00:39:16.880 he became so popular because everything she does everyone's crazy about it like she's a trendsetter
00:39:20.940 she's I didn't write down but there's the whole thing about the the hoop skirt how she really
00:39:26.040 she popularized wearing these really really really wide skirts because she's like these look cool and
00:39:30.840 i'm gonna do it and everyone's like like in mean girls everyone's like oh she's doing it okay i
00:39:34.500 guess we're all gonna wear hoop skirts now it's exactly that she brings them back from london for
00:39:38.720 her and sally and they're walking around just turning heads all around the city and all the
00:39:41.760 like fabric shops are like oh my god fucking nice one these skirts are ginormous they're gonna take 0.94
00:39:45.660 so much fabric to make we are gonna make so much money so like this trend suits everybody so she's 0.96
00:39:50.460 having a great time they're having a great time everyone's delighted the way that she you know 0.99
00:39:55.280 as the OG influencer,
00:39:56.800 the way that she brought money
00:39:59.200 into the businesses of Dublin 0.99
00:40:00.460 was admirable.
00:40:01.540 And that's why later on,
00:40:02.720 they stand up for her.
00:40:03.880 It very much stands to her side.
00:40:05.680 Yeah, yeah.
00:40:06.200 So by now, 1778,
00:40:08.100 the American Revolution is happening.
00:40:10.480 She hasn't heard from Lawless
00:40:11.660 in four years in America.
00:40:14.360 And then, goddammit,
00:40:17.120 he shows up in Cork 0.92
00:40:18.640 and he wants to see her. 1.00
00:40:21.060 Oh, this fucking guy. 1.00
00:40:22.740 Yeah, at first, 1.00
00:40:23.620 she doesn't want to go.
00:40:25.060 this is the thing but her friends talk her into it sally's kind of like what if he's come back
00:40:28.600 with loads of money and he might give you some of it if you go see him and it's like oh she's got a 0.98
00:40:33.900 point but unfortunately he doesn't uh but it does it does kind of make peg go yeah fuck it all right 0.99
00:40:40.100 let's go to cork and go see him and she gets pregnant peg 0.99
00:40:44.820 honestly drink every time peg's pregnant 0.87
00:40:52.160 or don't um so they just like hang out together in cork and then they're like okay let's all go
00:40:59.520 back to dublin we're like hanging out and then and then this is one of the things i was okay
00:41:04.800 it's a terrible story yes comma yes the name of this gang makes me laugh every time
00:41:11.460 can you reveal the name of the gang karen okay so there's a lot of gangs i say you know there's
00:41:22.960 like gentlemen's clubs we'll say which are basically glorified gangs in dublin at this
00:41:27.520 time and these ones are known as the pinking dandies and peg calls them the pinking dindies
00:41:36.120 the pinking dandies yes uh yeah and the thing about pinking like pinking means stabbing someone 0.93
00:41:42.940 so it's like oh yeah so if you pink like they would go this is why they got their name so they 0.94
00:41:47.060 carried swords and they would pink people as they passed them in the street which would mean just 0.93
00:41:50.920 like a light stabbing so like you're drawing a tiny bit of blood you've pinked someone so that
00:41:55.340 was the pinking of it all but like as an out of context name pinking dandies just sounds like
00:42:00.520 the frugiest little bunch of guys that are not going to hurt anyone it sounds like maybe a drag
00:42:06.100 show version of the peaky blinders oh my god yes or like yeah it's kind of like the peaky blinders
00:42:15.880 younger gay brothers so the first time i came across the name i was just like what
00:42:22.720 it is yeah the two names i was most excited and they were both horrible situations but
00:42:34.380 great names is buck lawless and the pinking dandies yeah that's it you see there's a lot
00:42:39.700 of good names in georgian dublin there's that kind of mix of having like english names and 0.88
00:42:43.740 then irish surnames and it just it lends itself to a lot of really fucking cool names okay and now
00:42:48.600 we're going to explain what they do but i want to explain that the leader of the pinking dandies 0.98
00:42:53.280 is richard crosby ireland's first man to fly in a balloon oh fucking yay 0.85
00:43:01.160 there's a statue of him i read there is in ranelagh where like he had his first ascent 0.77
00:43:12.280 in the balloon and like you look at his wikipedia and it's like oh his youthful curiosity he's 0.94
00:43:17.100 ireland's first airman isn't he great and it's like oh right no mention about this little fucking 0.75
00:43:21.820 episode in his history though is there so it's all just like god isn't he great richard crosby 0.99
00:43:25.740 what an inventor what a fucking innovator it's like what a piece of shit yeah yeah so we need 0.99
00:43:30.020 to myth bust that for all the irish aeronautical fans please so the pinking dandies despite their 0.99
00:43:35.680 very silly name which i now know is a scary name but it's actually kind of funny their vibe is the
00:43:43.220 gang from Clockwork Orange. They're just like rich guys who just go around just like beating 0.90
00:43:50.560 and stabbing people with impunity because they're so rich and well connected. Yeah. Yeah. And that
00:43:56.000 was kind of the vibe of a lot of these kind of Dublin like clubs and gangs, possibly not to the
00:44:01.140 extent of these guys, but like there were a lot of clubs around at the time that were just getting
00:44:06.020 hammered and terrorizing people. And that was their deal, basically. That's what they did. It's
00:44:10.020 like i don't know a lot about gangs today well i live in saskatchewan there are gangs here i think
00:44:19.000 there are everywhere but it seems like the gangs they steal things and they like sell drugs and
00:44:25.160 they like that's what they're doing but this gang was just wandering on terrorizing anyone it's not
00:44:30.520 just like the gang's enemies they're just like breaking into random houses and just like like 0.89
00:44:35.500 it's yeah they're just causing shit for everybody for whoever like they just don't care they're 0.55
00:44:40.500 rich enough that it doesn't matter and their dads are going to be get able to get them out of
00:44:44.300 whatever trouble they end up in eventually yeah so exactly the vibe of clockwork orange and so
00:44:48.760 what they did so peg recall she is pregnant um recall she has this daughter um that she had a
00:44:55.120 bit ago okay this is the daughter she had with lawless i think no she's pregnant by lawless
00:44:59.300 it's the daughter she had with the reverend sorry it's lambert you're right yes i'm getting my l's
00:45:03.980 mixed up to be fair she's been she's been pregnant a lot and we don't know any of the children's
00:45:10.780 names so she's just hanging out in her brothel um and they just broke in and i don't know i don't
00:45:19.100 want to tell the story you probably don't want to either but can you want to just kind of
00:45:22.660 highlight version yeah like they they they break into the house she doesn't want to let them in
00:45:28.520 which is why they get super violent super quickly they just smash all the windows and come in that
00:45:32.160 way instead uh they break all the furniture turn the place upside down they say they're looking
00:45:36.160 for lawless he's not there so they just completely wreck the place they beat up peg so badly that she
00:45:43.280 does lose the child that she's carrying and in the kind of horrible aftermath and trauma of seeing
00:45:48.540 all this the little girl that she had with lambert does actually die and i think she was only four at
00:45:52.720 that stage in just the horrible aftermath of this terrible event um there's loads of witnesses to
00:45:58.900 this crime as well because it's it's a huge chaotic scene that's happening in this house on
00:46:04.000 a busy street so all her neighbors like the whole neighborhood is out there kind of going oh my god
00:46:07.420 what's happening i think they end up calling in the militia to stop these guys um and it's just
00:46:12.280 this horrific night of just this savage attack on peg and her house and it's it's really really
00:46:17.620 and it's led by irish hero richard crosby richard crosby so he was the leader of this gang so yeah 1.00
00:46:23.720 this fucking guy yeah I know the fact that he has a statue it's like fucking knock that shit down 0.99
00:46:29.260 and put peg up instead honestly like she should have a statue I support that and people of Ireland 1.00
00:46:36.580 I'm gonna go do some quick vandalism I'll be right back okay and we're back
00:46:41.540 so the fact that um her she was pregnant and she lost the child that makes this
00:46:52.860 so she filed suit against them like she took this she took this to court which is a thing she will
00:46:57.580 do to a lot of people in a lot of situations and that's part of why the biographer Julie Peekman
00:47:01.920 was able to verify some times and dates and things because of the court records but anyway
00:47:05.680 because the unborn child had died meant this was a murder charge or this could be a murder charge
00:47:10.340 as well as just like damage to property and whatever eventually she ended up dropping that
00:47:15.520 charge for legal reasons I don't know yeah I think his family are obviously really well
00:47:20.100 connected his brother was possibly a baronet or something so they're getting involved they're
00:47:23.720 trying to convince her to drop the murder charge at least which she does and it's like you know
00:47:28.720 when you're reading all this I'm like well I want him dead so why is she done this but I guess she's
00:47:32.900 trying to pull off this balancing act of keeping the city on side and if she actually does get like 0.98
00:47:38.280 this like fucking guy hanged is that going to turn people against her I guess she's having to try and 0.96
00:47:43.520 play the odds to a certain amount here as well and I don't know I guess it's some self-preservation 0.99
00:47:48.420 is possibly kicking in here too for her well and i think she throughout her life she's had to sort
00:47:51.860 of balance out just like what how can she still thrive as best as possible and keep these 0.98
00:47:58.700 connections she needs to maintain but also show like you don't fuck with me like exactly yeah 0.97
00:48:03.640 it's a tricky a tricky line to maintain so he ended up being fined um he was confined to jail 0.98
00:48:08.660 freed pretty quickly but eventually he paid her for the property damage the other pinking dindies 1.00
00:48:15.660 they all just kind of like left town because they didn't want to be charged and they were never put 0.99
00:48:19.760 on trial. So just him. Yeah. And the thing is, in later years, she does actually like when he's
00:48:25.440 doing his big fucking balloon ascent in Ranala, she's there and shakes hands with him before he 0.94
00:48:30.220 goes up in the air. So like she's in the papers and it's this whole thing. So I guess she did 0.98
00:48:34.220 not forgive him, but she's seen in public with him after the fact. So, you know, so that she's
00:48:39.760 kind of like, oh, you know, we're all fine now, but it's all to keep her name circulating too,
00:48:44.480 I suppose and get her being mentioned and stuff so she's she's still trying to you know work
00:48:48.720 things to her advantage as well well it's true and I think you're absolutely right that part of that
00:48:52.940 would be to keep her name in the papers so like she was very famous and she needed to maintain
00:48:58.140 so it's like oh an Irish person is doing something interesting like I'll just go be there also yeah
00:49:03.220 yeah exactly despite the terrible things that he's done like it's worth it for me to get my
00:49:07.060 name in this paper and to be mentioned yeah well that's the thing too like um her life like it's
00:49:13.460 reading it like if it was a novel or a book or a movie you'd be like oh you know here's what i
00:49:18.100 want her to do but it's like no she needs to continue living in this city and so this is the
00:49:22.660 thing yeah and yeah it's a tricky time to be a woman full stop so i mean she's she's having to 0.99
00:49:28.220 deal with a lot yeah so her decisions that's where i want that like final scene of showgirls moment
00:49:34.440 where she just like kicks the shit out of him yeah so badly that's not you know that's not what
00:49:40.400 she's able to do it just it wasn't going to be feasible yeah so I mentioned it in part one and
00:49:48.160 I do just want to reiterate what the um the references were that both Karen and I used for
00:49:53.420 this episode and I mean there's going to be part three like this is stay tuned this is another
00:50:00.100 cliffhanger because this story so much happens in it I really feel like it's it's necessary to sort
00:50:06.380 of take it piece by piece and just kind of be like she did what to who and like how many children
00:50:10.940 did she have and with who like anyway so we're gonna have part three next week but thank goodness
00:50:17.760 peg herself wrote her memoirs and that was that was karen's so she read the actual memoirs the
00:50:24.140 memoirs of mrs margaret leeson by peg plunkett aka mrs leeson i read a recent book that's called peg
00:50:29.260 Plunkett, Memoirs of a Whore, Memoirs of a Whore by Julie Peakman, which takes the memoir and kind
00:50:37.140 of adds more context to it by doing her own research as well. So I think it actually worked
00:50:40.600 out perfectly. We didn't plan that, but each of us had read this in a different way. So I had some
00:50:44.320 details she didn't have, she had some details I didn't have. Both of these works are fantastic.
00:50:49.000 And I love, like there's something about a chaos person who then wrote a book about their own life.
00:50:53.580 like this is Lola Montez energy it's Catalina de Arauzo energy like this is the writing of a
00:51:00.960 memoir is a really special thing so next week stay tuned for what happens the part three of
00:51:07.960 this ongoing saga of just I want to say also so Nicola Coughlin another Irish icon came out with
00:51:16.440 her her song just at the end of June um shoes more shoes and I was like that's such a peg 0.93
00:51:21.600 Plunkett vibe just this like just Irish tits out amazing like sensual dance like that's the vibe
00:51:30.200 of this song I think I'd said before that I was thinking of it when I was preparing like reading 0.85
00:51:34.800 the episode I was listening to a lot of Sabrina Carpenter's song Espresso which for part one you
00:51:39.460 might be like Anna like a tragic story but part two you see what I mean like everyone wants to 0.99
00:51:44.380 fuck Peg Plunkett she's just like dancing around having the time of her life and I think it's a 1.00
00:51:49.140 real shoes, no shoes vibe is what we've moved into. Like from espresso is like a young peg, 1.00
00:51:54.580 shoes, more shoes is like, as she's like finding herself a bit more. Anyway, next week, part three,
00:52:00.340 Karen is here again. Like we're going to wrap it all up. And if you want to hear more of me and
00:52:03.680 Karen talking about things that are as much as we tried to stay on topic in this episode,
00:52:08.240 I was able to do that personally, because I knew that we were going to record another special
00:52:11.980 episode. So all Patreon members who are at the $5 per month or more level are able to hear,
00:52:18.360 I did a recording of the after show with Karen Mornihan, where we talk about Sweet Valley High,
00:52:22.540 we talk about just some more stuff about Irish history, like just every burning question I had
00:52:26.740 for her, which you can tell through these episodes, like I'm such a fan of her and her
00:52:31.540 podcast Double Love. And I was so happy to get to talk about this amazing story with her. But anyway,
00:52:36.100 you can get more and and Karen patreon.com slash and foster writer. And if you pledge $5 or more
00:52:41.540 a month, you can hear that special after show we did. Also, if you join the Patreon at $1 or more
00:52:46.680 a month you get early ad free access to all the episodes so if you're just like i can't wait to
00:52:50.680 hear peg part three like you get that a few days early if you join for one dollar a month and if
00:52:55.100 you join the patreon for free like that's an option um i'm posting some more information there
00:52:59.100 some pictures of some of the places that we talk about in this episode that's where i'm doing more
00:53:03.060 of my sharing i'm doing stuff on instagram as well instagram we're at vulgar history pot like
00:53:07.400 i'm always there never gonna not be there but i will say that um what i like about posting stuff
00:53:12.460 at patreon so that the paid members can see it and the free members can see it is just like i know
00:53:16.420 you see it like because um you get a notification when i post something on instagram it's kind of
00:53:21.740 random who sees what anyway i'm also on patreon if you join there at the five dollars a month
00:53:27.500 or more level you get access to other episodes of the after show as well as episodes of vulgar 0.94
00:53:32.260 peace theater where i talk about costume dramas from history and also so this asshole episodes
00:53:37.060 where i didn't do one about peg's brother christopher um because we've talked about him
00:53:40.340 enough frankly and i want to just never think about him again in my life i also want to mention
00:53:46.440 i i have a sub stack and also karen has a sub stack so if you want to keep up with both of us
00:53:51.380 instead of like a blog adjacent type way so my sub stack it's vulgarhistory.substack.com 1.00
00:53:58.120 and hers i'm just double checking i think it's part-time gas bitch let me just make sure she has 1.00
00:54:04.820 posted so many good things a lot of them she wrote a thing about like her live reaction to 0.75
00:54:09.460 the most seasoned speaking of Nicola Coughlin to series three of Bridgerton um she did review
00:54:14.760 of Cruel Intentions she watched Irish Wish the Lindsay Lohan um Ireland set movie anyway
00:54:20.640 she did review of J-Lo's movie so yeah it's gasbitch.substack.com if you want to keep up
00:54:27.280 with Karen as well so her podcast is Double Love the Sweet Belly High podcast which is near and
00:54:32.680 dear to my heart and like as we've discussed here just sort of like somehow well not somehow I
00:54:37.440 have forced my way into that ecosystem. And now we're sort of podcast cousins, I guess. So you
00:54:43.340 should definitely listen to Double Love, the Sweet Valley High podcast. They have a huge archive.
00:54:47.940 They're up to a book like a hundred and something. They have one episode. They have at least one
00:54:50.800 episode for each Sweet Valley High book. Even if you haven't read the Sweet Valley High books,
00:54:54.440 I think you hear how much fun Karen is. Her co-host Anna is equally as fun. And you should 0.97
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00:55:29.620 the main thing, the reason why they were brought to my attention by you, actually, 0.98
00:55:32.840 members of the Tits Out Brigade were like saw the ads and they're like this makes me think of you
00:55:36.060 I was like this makes me think of me too so the designs that Tori the designer does they're all
00:55:41.520 about difficult women from history quote-unquote difficult women so it's people we've talked about
00:55:46.800 on the podcast so um Hatshepsut is there Bodeca Cleopatra Agrippina um they're mostly from
00:55:53.160 classical history or like ancient history slash classical mythology so like Medusa is there
00:55:57.360 Aphrodite is there um Sappho is there um and then also Anne Boleyn is there because why not
00:56:02.840 And basically, I love this jewelry. I love this company. And also, I really feel for Tori because
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00:56:54.260 um and as i said last week and i'll just remind you again this week like we are working on a peg
00:57:00.860 plunket design i'm going to announce what it is next week so if you want to like get your carts
00:57:05.760 ready with other vulgar history merch and then i'm going to announce what the peg plunket design 0.90
00:57:09.820 is next week and then we can all we can always run around like our favorite horny chaos slutty 0.94
00:57:14.900 irish lady and just like have musicians playing wherever we go like just having having the best 0.94
00:57:20.340 of times you can get in touch with me if you have need of getting in touch with me um if you go to
00:57:26.860 vulgarhistory.com there's a contact form there um i also check my dms on instagram where i am
00:57:31.880 at vulgarhistorypod next week peg plunkett part three can't wait to talk about this even more 0.83
00:57:40.020 with all of you um and until next time if your pants on and your tits out vulgar history is 0.98
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